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From: mpc755 on 7 Jan 2010 07:32 On Jan 7, 12:03 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jan 7, 12:00 am, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) > wrote: > > > > > mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> writes: > > >On Jan 6, 8:49 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) > > >wrote: > > >> mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> writes: > > >> >On Jan 6, 3:38 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) > > >> >wrote: > > >> >> MM's results indicate either no ether at all or ether entrainment. > > >> >Aether Displacement and Entrainment it is. > > > >> You forgot to supply the pointer to the experiment(s) that differentiate > > >> between aether entrainment and no aether, which indicate that there is, in > > >> fact, aether entrainment. PD has been asking you for evidence of aether > > >> entrainment (to the orbit of Uranus), too. > > > >> Comments by a person aren't an experiment. Even if that person is Einstein. > > >> (and in particular ones made before QM really got going and supplied more > > >> evidence that a luminiferous ether is unnecessary) > > >Evidence like the behaviors of a C-60 molecule in a double slit > > >experiment? > > > All evidence I've seen is exactly what QM predicts. And besides, I was > > talking about an experiment that differentiates between entrained aether > > and no aether, not what happens in a double slit experiment. So far you > > haven't presented any such experiment. > > > >Evidence where the C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the > > >aether? > > > No such evidence has been seen. > > > >You still haven't answered how it is, in QM, a C-60 molecule is > > >detected exiting a single slit when detectors are placed at the exits > > >to the slits while the C-60 molecule is in the slit(s). > > >Oh yeah, that's right, I forgot your answer was, "Because it's a > > >wave". > > > Whether you like it or not, QM predicts "things" (photons, electrons, etc) > > have both particle and wave properties under certain conditions. > > That is not what I asked you. I am asking you how a C-60 molecule, 60 > interconnected atoms, can be detected exiting a single slit if > detectors are placed at the exits to the slits the instant before the > C-60 molecule is to exit the slit(s). > > How does the C-60 molecule physically go from existing in all of the > slits as a wave, to exiting a single slit? > In AD, the C-60 molecule always enters and exits a single slit while the displacement wave it creates in the aether enters and exits multiple slits. > > > Prove it. (Come up with a reasonable experiment where QM predicts one > > outcome and AD predicts a different outcome, that someone could perform > > and tell which one is correct) > > > This is like my Michelson-Morley comment. MM came up with a null result > > for an "ether wind" but can't differentiate between no aether and > > entrained aether. The next logical step is an experiment that can tell > > the difference. PD has commented that such experiments have been done, > > and point to no aether. > >
From: xxein on 7 Jan 2010 19:38 On Jan 7, 7:32 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jan 7, 12:03 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > How does the C-60 molecule physically go from existing in all of the > > slits as a wave, to exiting a single slit? > > In AD, the C-60 molecule always enters and exits a single slit while > the displacement wave it creates in the aether enters and exits > multiple slits. > > > > > > Prove it. (Come up with a reasonable experiment where QM predicts one > > > outcome and AD predicts a different outcome, that someone could perform > > > and tell which one is correct) > > > > This is like my Michelson-Morley comment. MM came up with a null result > > > for an "ether wind" but can't differentiate between no aether and > > > entrained aether. The next logical step is an experiment that can tell > > > the difference. PD has commented that such experiments have been done, > > > and point to no aether.- Hide quoted text - > xxein: I have hunted for snakes. I have hunted for rabbits. My sight was attuned for what I was looking for. I couldn't "see' one while looking for the other. This seems to be a common phenomena in recognizing the physic amid the physics. It's not just a rabbit or a snake. It's everything. If you focus on only the aspects you choose, you lose comprehension of the whole.
From: mpc755 on 7 Jan 2010 19:53 On Jan 7, 7:38 pm, xxein <xx...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > On Jan 7, 7:32 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jan 7, 12:03 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > How does the C-60 molecule physically go from existing in all of the > > > slits as a wave, to exiting a single slit? > > > In AD, the C-60 molecule always enters and exits a single slit while > > the displacement wave it creates in the aether enters and exits > > multiple slits. > > > > > Prove it. (Come up with a reasonable experiment where QM predicts one > > > > outcome and AD predicts a different outcome, that someone could perform > > > > and tell which one is correct) > > > > > This is like my Michelson-Morley comment. MM came up with a null result > > > > for an "ether wind" but can't differentiate between no aether and > > > > entrained aether. The next logical step is an experiment that can tell > > > > the difference. PD has commented that such experiments have been done, > > > > and point to no aether.- Hide quoted text - > > xxein: I have hunted for snakes. I have hunted for rabbits. My > sight was attuned for what I was looking for. I couldn't "see' one > while looking for the other. > > This seems to be a common phenomena in recognizing the physic amid the > physics. It's not just a rabbit or a snake. It's everything. > > If you focus on only the aspects you choose, you lose comprehension of > the whole. Correct. Saying a particle has to have wave-like properties because that is what you observer in experiments is completely missing the point. It seems so obvious to me I find it almost unfathomable that it is this difficult to get the concept of across. Einstein set it up for us perfectly: "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places" The state of the aether determined by connections with the moving C-60 molecule is the aether's state of displacement. deBroglie stated that any moving particle or object had an associated wave. Any moving particle or object has an associated aether displacement wave. Why is it the C-60 molecule is ALWAYS detected exiting a single slit in a double slit experiment? Because it ALWAYS exits a single slit! Duh!
From: mpc755 on 7 Jan 2010 20:01 On Jan 7, 7:38 pm, xxein <xx...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > On Jan 7, 7:32 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jan 7, 12:03 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > How does the C-60 molecule physically go from existing in all of the > > > slits as a wave, to exiting a single slit? > > > In AD, the C-60 molecule always enters and exits a single slit while > > the displacement wave it creates in the aether enters and exits > > multiple slits. > > > > > Prove it. (Come up with a reasonable experiment where QM predicts one > > > > outcome and AD predicts a different outcome, that someone could perform > > > > and tell which one is correct) > > > > > This is like my Michelson-Morley comment. MM came up with a null result > > > > for an "ether wind" but can't differentiate between no aether and > > > > entrained aether. The next logical step is an experiment that can tell > > > > the difference. PD has commented that such experiments have been done, > > > > and point to no aether.- Hide quoted text - > > xxein: I have hunted for snakes. I have hunted for rabbits. My > sight was attuned for what I was looking for. I couldn't "see' one > while looking for the other. > > This seems to be a common phenomena in recognizing the physic amid the > physics. It's not just a rabbit or a snake. It's everything. > > If you focus on only the aspects you choose, you lose comprehension of > the whole. Correct. Saying a particle has to have wave-like properties because you observer wave like behaviors in experiments is completely missing the point. It seems so obvious to me I find it almost unfathomable that it is this difficult to get the concept of across. Einstein set it up for us perfectly: "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places" The state of the aether determined by connections with the moving C-60 molecule is the aether's state of displacement. deBroglie stated that any moving particle or object had an associated wave. Any moving particle or object has an associated aether wave. Why is the C-60 molecule ALWAYS detected exiting a single slit in a double slit experiment? Because it ALWAYS exits a single slit! Duh!
From: mpc755 on 7 Jan 2010 20:03
On Jan 7, 7:38 pm, xxein <xx...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > On Jan 7, 7:32 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jan 7, 12:03 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > How does the C-60 molecule physically go from existing in all of the > > > slits as a wave, to exiting a single slit? > > > In AD, the C-60 molecule always enters and exits a single slit while > > the displacement wave it creates in the aether enters and exits > > multiple slits. > > > > > Prove it. (Come up with a reasonable experiment where QM predicts one > > > > outcome and AD predicts a different outcome, that someone could perform > > > > and tell which one is correct) > > > > > This is like my Michelson-Morley comment. MM came up with a null result > > > > for an "ether wind" but can't differentiate between no aether and > > > > entrained aether. The next logical step is an experiment that can tell > > > > the difference. PD has commented that such experiments have been done, > > > > and point to no aether.- Hide quoted text - > > xxein: I have hunted for snakes. I have hunted for rabbits. My > sight was attuned for what I was looking for. I couldn't "see' one > while looking for the other. > > This seems to be a common phenomena in recognizing the physic amid the > physics. It's not just a rabbit or a snake. It's everything. > > If you focus on only the aspects you choose, you lose comprehension of > the whole. Correct. Saying a particle has to have wave-like properties because you observe wave like behaviors in experiments is completely missing the point. It seems so obvious to me I find it almost unfathomable that it is this difficult to get the concept of across. Einstein set it up for us perfectly: "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places" The state of the aether determined by connections with the moving C-60 molecule is the aether's state of displacement. deBroglie stated any moving particle or object had an associated wave. Any moving particle or object has an associated aether wave. Why is the C-60 molecule ALWAYS detected exiting a single slit in a double slit experiment? Because it ALWAYS exits a single slit! Duh! |