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From: Charlie Russel - MVP on 15 Jan 2008 01:33 Take a look at one of the _good_ cooling heat sinks for CPUs. I like the ArcticCool ones, but those from Noctua, Scythe and others are well thought of too. (And I don't agree about 120mm v. 80mm fans - the 120's can move slower and still move the same amount of air, if they have speed control.) What you need to do is get the heat away from that CPU - it tends to be a really hot CPU under the best of circumstances, and with an iffy case and limited fans, you really aren't giving it a chance. It's also true that more fans isn't necessarily the answer. What matters is the amount of airflow through the CPU heatsink, and the number and effectiveness of the fins on that heatsink to pull the heat away. A really good case can make a difference of 20 degrees C. with no other changes at all. (This I know from personal experience, with a server I built that didn't have a decent case. Took me a while to figure out what was happening, but when I changed it out for an Antec P120, I dropped from the high-50's at idle to 30 at idle. And have never been over 40 since. ) -- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64 http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:17636477-FC21-4FA9-90F8-2B983BB9D97A(a)microsoft.com... >I don't think I can say this enough guys. THANK YOU! I feel like an >idiot, > but since you guys started posting temp comments, I decided to investigate > this further. I found that my CPU fan was actually at a slowewr speed > than > it should be. I crancked it up to the "coolest" setting, and I've been > running smooth now for about 1hr. I can even switch users and all! > THAT'S > LONGER THAN ANY DAY THIS WEEK, AND MORE SWITCHING THAN I'VE DONE THIS > MONTH! > I have copied your links, and will be looking for a case that will > accomodate > my hardware better. If anything comes up I will post back to this thread > in > a couple of days. > I think I'll start a new thread for my laptop LOL > > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote: > >> Here is a link to Intels specs for thermally advantaged cases: >> http://www.intel.com/support/processors/pentium4/sb/CS-008537.htm >> >> A link with explanations: >> http://www.overclockers.com/tips00528/ >> >> And here is a link to a typical supplier: >> http://www.xoxide.com/aspirecases.html >> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:7F5B4E56-A674-4405-AF01-E5A42EBDEAD6(a)microsoft.com... >> > Like I said, I really appreciate all the suggestions, and I will get >> > the >> > fans >> > I need. If you would recommend a case, I will order it tomorrow. It's >> > just >> > that there were so many when I searched and I don't know enough about >> > cases >> > and whether pricing is a factor in making that decision. Please don't >> > suggest a 500 case with liquid cooling and all that, LOL. >> > But the question still remains...Why is my laptop experiencing >> > shutdowns? >> > >> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote: >> > >> >> Yes, heat would cause random stop errors. I used at least three case >> >> fans >> >> with all my Pentium 4 machines, especially with Prescotts. Yours is >> >> even >> >> more powerful than those. Use 80mm fans. 120mm fans are too noisy. >> >> >> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> news:4457CE65-76CF-4B9E-B14B-E09F438CB9F4(a)microsoft.com... >> >> > You know, I've been thinking since my last post. Suppose it IS >> >> > heat. >> >> > would >> >> > it cause multiple / random stop errors? Also, and the reason why I >> >> > didn't >> >> > include this earlier, why would I have the same problem on another >> >> > PC >> >> > that >> >> > has never been networked with my desktop? The only thing in common >> >> > between >> >> > this laptop (IBM Lenovo T60) and my desktop, was using the same >> >> > internet >> >> > connection (cable modem) I did not have a router to network them, >> >> > and >> >> > don't >> >> > want to. I use this laptop with dial-up. The only thing I have to >> >> > say >> >> > is >> >> > that this laptop is more stable -- but the problems ARE the same, >> >> > nonetheless. I don't want to seem ungrateful, but as I stated in >> >> > one >> >> > of >> >> > my >> >> > earlier posts, I DO have good troubleshooting skills, and I have >> >> > researched >> >> > this... >> >> > I just don't have any other options. Thank you., >> >> > >> >> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Are you using a thermally advantaged case and how many case fans do >> >> >> you >> >> >> have? >> >> >> >> >> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> >> news:CD056E89-D548-4091-8099-5859DC8DAFD5(a)microsoft.com... >> >> >> > Sorry, it's @ 60, didn't check typing >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "Patrick" wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in >> >> >> >> message >> >> >> >> news:472BE292-F936-415E-98B5-D86AD5B7B547(a)microsoft.com... >> >> >> >> > Seems like The combination of AW8D motherboard and Intel chip >> >> >> >> > just >> >> >> >> > wouldn't >> >> >> >> > let 32 bit OS get installed. anyway, I checked temps. They >> >> >> >> > are: >> >> >> >> > CPU:70c, >> >> >> >> > motherboard 35c, and I've been keeping the case open since I >> >> >> >> > thought >> >> >> >> > it >> >> >> >> > might be heat as well. I don't think that's it anymore, but >> >> >> >> > I'm >> >> >> >> > still >> >> >> >> > open >> >> >> >> > to suggestions. As far as memory goes, I have already run >> >> >> >> > weekend >> >> >> >> > stress >> >> >> >> > tests and found no problems. This is actually too much >> >> >> >> > computer >> >> >> >> > for >> >> >> >> > what >> >> >> >> > I >> >> >> >> > use it for, but I had to satisfy myself and make my first >> >> >> >> > build. >> >> >> >> > Power >> >> >> >> > was >> >> >> >> > an issue when I first put my "Frankenstein" together. I was >> >> >> >> > trying >> >> >> >> > to >> >> >> >> > run >> >> >> >> > this thing with an old 300W p/s. Needless to say, that did >> >> >> >> > NOT >> >> >> >> > go >> >> >> >> > well. >> >> >> >> > I >> >> >> >> > replaced it with an 800W BFG if I remember correctly, and it >> >> >> >> > helped, >> >> >> >> > but >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> > problems have not gone away. I really appreciate the input >> >> >> >> > guys, >> >> >> >> > and >> >> >> >> > will >> >> >> >> > attempt anything suggested here because I am at a loss. I'm >> >> >> >> > technically >> >> >> >> > savvy, and have great troubleshooting skills, but this thing >> >> >> >> > is >> >> >> >> > not >> >> >> >> > a >> >> >> >> > phone >> >> >> >> > system. Thanks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 70c is to hot throw some ice on it :) should be 50-60 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
From: Virago Louis on 15 Jan 2008 06:43 "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst(a)comcast.net> wrote in message > You certainly should have been able to install an x86 OS. Something is > fundamentally wrong here. > No sh't?
From: Rune Moberg on 15 Jan 2008 08:52 "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst(a)comcast.net> wrote in message news:3ACAD0AB-7238-4B84-8766-DECD4AA34FB7(a)microsoft.com... > more powerful than those. Use 80mm fans. 120mm fans are too noisy. Nope. As others have pointed out, they don't have to spin so fast to move an equal amount of air. With your logic, 40mm fans would be near noiseless. Yet 1U servers are the noisiest machines known to man, because they have to employ 40mm fans to move air. E.g. Papst has a 120mm fan that can push 70m^3/h (18dB), alternatively you can get their 80mm fan pushing 45m^3/h (19dB). For 79m^3/h you have to put up with 37dB using a Papst 80mm fan. You do the math. (sorry for the e-mail Colin, I hit the wrong button in the newsreader) -- Rune
From: NYTELTECH on 15 Jan 2008 12:29 Thank you all for the suggestions. I am currently looking for a better case. I never took any of this into consideration before, this being a first build and all. Now that I know for sure what the problem is, I am going to start GAMING!!!!!! LOL YOU GUYS ROCK! "Rune Moberg" wrote: > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst(a)comcast.net> wrote in message > news:3ACAD0AB-7238-4B84-8766-DECD4AA34FB7(a)microsoft.com... > > more powerful than those. Use 80mm fans. 120mm fans are too noisy. > > Nope. > > As others have pointed out, they don't have to spin so fast to move an equal > amount of air. > > With your logic, 40mm fans would be near noiseless. Yet 1U servers are the > noisiest machines known to man, because they have to employ 40mm fans to > move air. > > E.g. Papst has a 120mm fan that can push 70m^3/h (18dB), alternatively you > can get their 80mm fan pushing 45m^3/h (19dB). For 79m^3/h you have to put > up with 37dB using a Papst 80mm fan. You do the math. > > (sorry for the e-mail Colin, I hit the wrong button in the newsreader) > > -- > Rune >
From: miso on 15 Jan 2008 22:14
On Jan 15, 9:29 am, NYTELTECH <NYTELT...(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > Thank you all for the suggestions. I am currently looking for a better case. > I never took any of this into consideration before, this being a first build > and all. Now that I know for sure what the problem is, I am going to start > GAMING!!!!!! LOL > YOU GUYS ROCK! > > "Rune Moberg" wrote: > > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnho...(a)comcast.net> wrote in message > >news:3ACAD0AB-7238-4B84-8766-DECD4AA34FB7(a)microsoft.com... > > > more powerful than those. Use 80mm fans. 120mm fans are too noisy. > > > Nope. > > > As others have pointed out, they don't have to spin so fast to move an equal > > amount of air. > > > With your logic, 40mm fans would be near noiseless. Yet 1U servers are the > > noisiest machines known to man, because they have to employ 40mm fans to > > move air. > > > E.g. Papst has a 120mm fan that can push 70m^3/h (18dB), alternatively you > > can get their 80mm fan pushing 45m^3/h (19dB). For 79m^3/h you have to put > > up with 37dB using a Papst 80mm fan. You do the math. > > > (sorry for the e-mail Colin, I hit the wrong button in the newsreader) > > > -- > > Rune There is something to be said for using high efficiency power supplies as well. They generate less heat. I've built some PCs out of the Antec Silent PC case. [They have a few models now. I use P180] Of course it's not completely silent, but the fans all have multiple speed so you can experiment and get the right combination of fans running. I also use Zalman heatsinks. http://www.silentpcreview.com/article249-page1.html |