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From: Antti on 21 Jun 2010 14:27
the X-7 roadmap and all device table are no online,
and the ARM11 is coming is also all public knowledge, but.. where? in
what family?

spartan is dead, now is Artix, und Kintex? but where is ARM11?

in BULLSHITIX-8 release?

I wonder. of course its very interesting to see how much mess Xilinx
is able
to organize with the 7 series, right now Xilinx online shop list
exactly 2 devices of Spartan-6ES both going to avnet no stock
there was initial stock of 45 pieces of Spartan-6 at digikey
after that was depleted digikey has not received any new s-6 silicon.

so, when comes spartan-6 general availability?
does it makes to wait?
or maybe it makes more sense to wait the Artix-7?
or maybe..look for alternatives?


Antti
From: Rob Gaddi on 21 Jun 2010 14:45
On 6/21/2010 11:27 AM, Antti wrote:
> the X-7 roadmap and all device table are no online,
> and the ARM11 is coming is also all public knowledge, but.. where? in
> what family?
>
> spartan is dead, now is Artix, und Kintex? but where is ARM11?
>
> in BULLSHITIX-8 release?
>
> I wonder. of course its very interesting to see how much mess Xilinx
> is able
> to organize with the 7 series, right now Xilinx online shop list
> exactly 2 devices of Spartan-6ES both going to avnet no stock
> there was initial stock of 45 pieces of Spartan-6 at digikey
> after that was depleted digikey has not received any new s-6 silicon.
>
> so, when comes spartan-6 general availability?
> does it makes to wait?
> or maybe it makes more sense to wait the Artix-7?
> or maybe..look for alternatives?
>
>
> Antti

Right now I'm working on two S6 projects, both of which are absolute
disasters due to problems with the toolchain. My DRAM problem from a
month ago, Xilinx ultimately told me was my problem and they washed
their hands of it. Now on my other project, version 12 of the tools
uses 10% more of the chip than version 11 and neither is willing to
respect a simple IOB=FORCE. I've got a WebCase crawling along on it,
but so far have been trained to not expect much from that process.

I'm finding my choice of Xilinx FPGAs to be the single largest
impediment to my actually getting product out the door. Spartan 6 has
been a trainwreck, and the decision to pull back from NuHo to only AvNet
has meant that I don't even have any support through my distribution
chain anymore. And now they're touting 7 series silicon and expecting
us to be excited?

Antti, of your choices I know which one I'm taking. My Arrow sales rep,
who has always been responsive and supported me to the hilt, has been
asking me for the longest time to have a serious sit down with her
Altera FAEs to talk about moving all of Highland's future designs over,
company wide. We're having it Friday.

--
Rob Gaddi, Highland Technology
Email address is currently out of order
From: Uwe Bonnes on 21 Jun 2010 17:15
Antti <antti.lukats(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
> the X-7 roadmap and all device table are no online,
> and the ARM11 is coming is also all public knowledge, but.. where? in
> what family?

> spartan is dead, now is Artix, und Kintex? but where is ARM11?

> in BULLSHITIX-8 release?

> I wonder. of course its very interesting to see how much mess Xilinx
> is able
> to organize with the 7 series, right now Xilinx online shop list
> exactly 2 devices of Spartan-6ES both going to avnet no stock
> there was initial stock of 45 pieces of Spartan-6 at digikey
> after that was depleted digikey has not received any new s-6 silicon.

> so, when comes spartan-6 general availability?
> does it makes to wait?
> or maybe it makes more sense to wait the Artix-7?
> or maybe..look for alternatives?

X*l*nx is going the *tm*l Way:
Annnouce early, release later (or never)
--
Uwe Bonnes bon(a)elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de

Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt
--------- Tel. 06151 162516 -------- Fax. 06151 164321 ----------
From: Ed McGettigan on 21 Jun 2010 18:11
On Jun 21, 11:27 am, Antti <antti.luk...(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
> the X-7 roadmap and all device table are no online,
> and the ARM11 is coming is also all public knowledge, but.. where? in
> what family?
>
> spartan is dead, now is Artix, und Kintex? but where is ARM11?
>
> in BULLSHITIX-8 release?
>
> I wonder. of course its very interesting to see how much mess Xilinx
> is able
> to organize with the 7 series, right now Xilinx online shop list
> exactly 2 devices of Spartan-6ES both going to avnet no stock
> there was initial stock of 45 pieces of Spartan-6 at digikey
> after that was depleted digikey has not received any new s-6 silicon.
>
> so, when comes spartan-6 general availability?
> does it makes to wait?
> or maybe it makes more sense to wait the Artix-7?
> or maybe..look for alternatives?
>
> Antti

With great trepidation I write the following.

Details on the future product with an ARM Cortex A9-MPcore (not ARM11)
were not announced today. There is some limited information online
here: http://www.xilinx.com/technology/roadmap/processing-platform.htm

While the product name of Spartan will stop with the current Spartan-6
Family. The concepts that the Spartan name embodies, low cost, high
volume and low power, will continue under the new Artix Family name.

I understand your criticisms of the Spartan-6 production availability
over the last few months. If you check the distributor stocking
levels over the next 1-2 months you will see rapid improvement in this
area.

Ed McGettigan
--
Xilinx Inc.
From: John Adair on 21 Jun 2010 18:29
They would be better concentrating on just getting the announced
Spartan-6 and Virtex-6 families actually out there in some numbers. I
am having to switch my team to doing Altera boards whilst we are in
limbo land between Spartan-3/Virtex-5 and nearly not available parts
of Spartan-6/Virtex-6. As everyone who knows us we have been strong
supporters of the Xilinx product line but we can't do anything without
silicon. The 144 week lead times Xilinx/Avnet combination that often
comes up just makes it worse and I have several new development boards
ready to launch subject to actually having silicon to put on them.

The new things coming do look good but I will surprised if they are
really going t be available within 2 years and that might as well be
50 years as far as me deploying people into product development based
on these parts. A lot will depend on what price, and what power
profile, the new parts have. We all remember the Excalibar non-
starter.

There does seem to be something of a marketing war between Altera and
Xilinx and I think this isn't helping. They both have good products
currently but it wouldn't be the first time one or other went off and
lost sight of what customers actually wanted.

John Adair
Enterpoint Ltd.

On 21 June, 19:27, Antti <antti.luk...(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
> the X-7 roadmap and all device table are no online,
> and the ARM11 is coming is also all public knowledge, but.. where? in
> what family?
>
> spartan is dead, now is Artix, und Kintex? but where is ARM11?
>
> in BULLSHITIX-8 release?
>
> I wonder. of course its very interesting to see how much mess Xilinx
> is able
> to organize with the 7 series, right now Xilinx online shop list
> exactly 2 devices of Spartan-6ES both going to avnet no stock
> there was initial stock of 45 pieces of Spartan-6 at digikey
> after that was depleted digikey has not received any new s-6 silicon.
>
> so, when comes spartan-6 general availability?
> does it makes to wait?
> or maybe it makes more sense to wait the Artix-7?
> or maybe..look for alternatives?
>
> Antti

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