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From: Graeme on 25 May 2010 08:49 In message <htg68t$2l6h$3(a)energise.enta.net>, "george [dicegeorge]" <dicegeorge(a)hotmail.com> writes >In Thunderbird when I click the [Subject] column header >this message is filed alphabetically under subject: > >its not grouped along with >"Re using Thunderbird for Usenet" >But, if I understand Graeme correctly, >in some newsreaders it will be grouped along with its initial subject name? Yes, using Turnpike, your message appears within the same thread, as it should. -- Graeme
From: John Rumm on 25 May 2010 11:37 On 25/05/2010 13:22, george [dicegeorge] wrote: > John Rumm wrote: >> On 25/05/2010 10:46, george [dicegeorge] wrote: >>> In Thunderbird when I click the [Subject] column header >>> this message is filed alphabetically under subject: >>> >>> its not grouped along with >>> "Re using Thunderbird for Usenet" >> >> It could be if you wanted... >> >>> But, if I understand Graeme correctly, >>> in some newsreaders it will be grouped along with its initial subject >>> name? >> >> If you click a column header then it will do a simple sort in order on >> that column (click a second time for reverse order). >> >> If you click on the "thread gadget" column header then it will thread >> properly based on the message references. >> >> However, by using options on the View | Sort By menu, you can also do >> tricks like sort by any column of your choice, but also retain the >> threaded nature. So sort by "received" with threading on, will pop a >> thread to the end of the list each time a response to it is received. >> >> > Thanks - I hadnt noticed the Thunderbird thread gadget column before, > I can see it will be useful sometimes! I find the \ keystroke handy for collapsing all the threads back to just their titles. -- Cheers, John. /=================================================================\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \=================================================================/
From: BillW50 on 25 May 2010 13:12 On 5/25/2010 10:37 AM, John Rumm wrote: > On 25/05/2010 13:22, george [dicegeorge] wrote: >> John Rumm wrote: >>> On 25/05/2010 10:46, george [dicegeorge] wrote: >>>> In Thunderbird when I click the [Subject] column header >>>> this message is filed alphabetically under subject: >>>> >>>> its not grouped along with >>>> "Re using Thunderbird for Usenet" >>> >>> It could be if you wanted... >>> >>>> But, if I understand Graeme correctly, >>>> in some newsreaders it will be grouped along with its initial subject >>>> name? >>> >>> If you click a column header then it will do a simple sort in order on >>> that column (click a second time for reverse order). >>> >>> If you click on the "thread gadget" column header then it will thread >>> properly based on the message references. >>> >>> However, by using options on the View | Sort By menu, you can also do >>> tricks like sort by any column of your choice, but also retain the >>> threaded nature. So sort by "received" with threading on, will pop a >>> thread to the end of the list each time a response to it is received. >>> >>> >> Thanks - I hadnt noticed the Thunderbird thread gadget column before, >> I can see it will be useful sometimes! > > I find the \ keystroke handy for collapsing all the threads back to just > their titles. I am running into the same problem with Thunderbird as I always have. And the problem is unbearable in very busy newsgroups. Sure in Thunderbird you can setup a rule to automatically mark any thread you post in and mark them as watched. Well one, the rule isn't always being applied in huge newsgroups. It is like TB is getting confused. Worse, it is having a problem reading all of the headers as well. As the status bar instead of going from left to right is jumping all over the place. This newsgroup on this server has over 12,000 posts, btw. And now TB can indeed mark the threads you had replied in as watched (when it actually works). But some threads contain hundreds of posts. And these huge threads, I am not interested in reading all of them. Just the sub-threads I had taken part in. And it just happened again today. I thought I replied to all of them and I then fired up OE6. And instantly I found two posts that were replies to my posts. And OE6 not only can mark whole threads like TB can, but it can rather only mark sub-threads you are only interested in. So you can find them instantly. So maybe people can understand why I don't find TB (or other ones I have tried) very attractive. As OE6 works well and very quick. And you can search past read posts very quickly as well. -- Bill Thunderbird Portable 3.0 (20091130)
From: John Rumm on 25 May 2010 14:21 On 25/05/2010 18:12, BillW50 wrote: > On 5/25/2010 10:37 AM, John Rumm wrote: >> On 25/05/2010 13:22, george [dicegeorge] wrote: >>> John Rumm wrote: >>>> On 25/05/2010 10:46, george [dicegeorge] wrote: >>>>> In Thunderbird when I click the [Subject] column header >>>>> this message is filed alphabetically under subject: >>>>> >>>>> its not grouped along with >>>>> "Re using Thunderbird for Usenet" >>>> >>>> It could be if you wanted... >>>> >>>>> But, if I understand Graeme correctly, >>>>> in some newsreaders it will be grouped along with its initial subject >>>>> name? >>>> >>>> If you click a column header then it will do a simple sort in order on >>>> that column (click a second time for reverse order). >>>> >>>> If you click on the "thread gadget" column header then it will thread >>>> properly based on the message references. >>>> >>>> However, by using options on the View | Sort By menu, you can also do >>>> tricks like sort by any column of your choice, but also retain the >>>> threaded nature. So sort by "received" with threading on, will pop a >>>> thread to the end of the list each time a response to it is received. >>>> >>>> >>> Thanks - I hadnt noticed the Thunderbird thread gadget column before, >>> I can see it will be useful sometimes! >> >> I find the \ keystroke handy for collapsing all the threads back to just >> their titles. > > I am running into the same problem with Thunderbird as I always have. > And the problem is unbearable in very busy newsgroups. Sure in > Thunderbird you can setup a rule to automatically mark any thread you > post in and mark them as watched. > > Well one, the rule isn't always being applied in huge newsgroups. It is > like TB is getting confused. Worse, it is having a problem reading all > of the headers as well. As the status bar instead of going from left to > right is jumping all over the place. This newsgroup on this server has > over 12,000 posts, btw. One thing to watch is that message filters apply to individual groups and not a news server as a whole, so you may need to duplicate some filters between groups. > And now TB can indeed mark the threads you had replied in as watched > (when it actually works). But some threads contain hundreds of posts. > And these huge threads, I am not interested in reading all of them. Just > the sub-threads I had taken part in. You can kill the sub threads you don't want (Shift+k) > And it just happened again today. I thought I replied to all of them and > I then fired up OE6. And instantly I found two posts that were replies > to my posts. And OE6 not only can mark whole threads like TB can, but it > can rather only mark sub-threads you are only interested in. So you can > find them instantly. I don't find this a problem personally, but I expect there is a difference in the way we are using it. I have it watch any thread I have posted to, and when catching up I will use watched with unread, Hitting next jumps me straight to the next new post. If I find a sub thread wandering off somewhere I don't want to go, then I just kill that sub thread. The result is I see any replies of interest straight away, and don't have to wade through sub threads that don't interest me. There is a slight bug in 3.0.4 though that can flag a thread as having new posts when they occur in a killed sub thread. That means it appears on the top level view underlined, but is skipped over when you do a next. > So maybe people can understand why I don't find TB (or other ones I have > tried) very attractive. As OE6 works well and very quick. And you can > search past read posts very quickly as well. Each to his own I guess. -- Cheers, John. /=================================================================\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \=================================================================/
From: dennis on 25 May 2010 15:39
"BillW50" <BillW50(a)aol.kom> wrote in message news:hth0ek$l34$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > Well one, the rule isn't always being applied in huge newsgroups. It is > like TB is getting confused. Worse, it is having a problem reading all of > the headers as well. As the status bar instead of going from left to right > is jumping all over the place. This newsgroup on this server has over > 12,000 posts, btw. Its lucky you aren't using astranews then, it has >135,000 posts. Even datemas' free service has >35,000 |