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From: BillW50 on 27 May 2010 12:52 In news:AKadnTMqguigiGHWnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d(a)brightview.co.uk, John Rumm typed on Tue, 25 May 2010 19:21:47 +0100: > On 25/05/2010 18:12, BillW50 wrote: >> On 5/25/2010 10:37 AM, John Rumm wrote: >>> On 25/05/2010 13:22, george [dicegeorge] wrote: >>>> John Rumm wrote: >>>>> On 25/05/2010 10:46, george [dicegeorge] wrote: >>>>>> In Thunderbird when I click the [Subject] column header >>>>>> this message is filed alphabetically under subject: >>>>>> >>>>>> its not grouped along with >>>>>> "Re using Thunderbird for Usenet" >>>>> >>>>> It could be if you wanted... >>>>> >>>>>> But, if I understand Graeme correctly, >>>>>> in some newsreaders it will be grouped along with its initial >>>>>> subject name? >>>>> >>>>> If you click a column header then it will do a simple sort in >>>>> order on that column (click a second time for reverse order). >>>>> >>>>> If you click on the "thread gadget" column header then it will >>>>> thread properly based on the message references. >>>>> >>>>> However, by using options on the View | Sort By menu, you can >>>>> also do tricks like sort by any column of your choice, but also >>>>> retain the threaded nature. So sort by "received" with threading >>>>> on, will pop a thread to the end of the list each time a response >>>>> to it is received. >>>> Thanks - I hadnt noticed the Thunderbird thread gadget column >>>> before, I can see it will be useful sometimes! >>> >>> I find the \ keystroke handy for collapsing all the threads back to >>> just their titles. >> >> I am running into the same problem with Thunderbird as I always have. >> And the problem is unbearable in very busy newsgroups. Sure in >> Thunderbird you can setup a rule to automatically mark any thread you >> post in and mark them as watched. >> >> Well one, the rule isn't always being applied in huge newsgroups. It >> is like TB is getting confused. Worse, it is having a problem >> reading all of the headers as well. As the status bar instead of >> going from left to right is jumping all over the place. This >> newsgroup on this server has over 12,000 posts, btw. > > One thing to watch is that message filters apply to individual groups > and not a news server as a whole, so you may need to duplicate some > filters between groups. Oh? Maybe that is where I went wrong. Seemed to work well for the newsgroups already there. But new ones later doesn't seem to be working correctly. Boy that is a lot of work with lots of newsgroups. >> And now TB can indeed mark the threads you had replied in as watched >> (when it actually works). But some threads contain hundreds of posts. >> And these huge threads, I am not interested in reading all of them. >> Just the sub-threads I had taken part in. > > You can kill the sub threads you don't want (Shift+k) Okay I never think of that as OE6 does the same, but marks them as ignore. But they are still there and all. >> And it just happened again today. I thought I replied to all of them >> and I then fired up OE6. And instantly I found two posts that were >> replies to my posts. And OE6 not only can mark whole threads like TB >> can, but it can rather only mark sub-threads you are only interested >> in. So you can find them instantly. > > I don't find this a problem personally, but I expect there is a > difference in the way we are using it. I have it watch any thread I > have posted to, and when catching up I will use watched with unread, > Hitting next jumps me straight to the next new post. If I find a sub > thread wandering off somewhere I don't want to go, then I just kill > that sub thread. The result is I see any replies of interest straight > away, and don't have to wade through sub threads that don't interest > me. I'll start using it your way and that will probably work much better. ;-) > There is a slight bug in 3.0.4 though that can flag a thread as having > new posts when they occur in a killed sub thread. That means it > appears on the top level view underlined, but is skipped over when > you do a next. Oh okay. >> So maybe people can understand why I don't find TB (or other ones I >> have tried) very attractive. As OE6 works well and very quick. And >> you can search past read posts very quickly as well. > > Each to his own I guess. OE seems so very efficient compared to other programs. As other programs seem to make the user go through so much work and it really shouldn't be that way. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows XP SP3
From: BillW50 on 27 May 2010 12:54 On 5/25/2010 2:39 PM, dennis(a)home wrote: > > > "BillW50" <BillW50(a)aol.kom> wrote in message > news:hth0ek$l34$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > >> Well one, the rule isn't always being applied in huge newsgroups. It >> is like TB is getting confused. Worse, it is having a problem reading >> all of the headers as well. As the status bar instead of going from >> left to right is jumping all over the place. This newsgroup on this >> server has over 12,000 posts, btw. > > Its lucky you aren't using astranews then, it has >135,000 posts. > > Even datemas' free service has >35,000 Yup, very! ;-) -- Bill Thunderbird Portable 3.0 (20091130)
From: John Rumm on 27 May 2010 16:41 On 27/05/2010 17:52, BillW50 wrote: >>> Well one, the rule isn't always being applied in huge newsgroups. It >>> is like TB is getting confused. Worse, it is having a problem >>> reading all of the headers as well. As the status bar instead of >>> going from left to right is jumping all over the place. This >>> newsgroup on this server has over 12,000 posts, btw. >> >> One thing to watch is that message filters apply to individual groups >> and not a news server as a whole, so you may need to duplicate some >> filters between groups. > > Oh? Maybe that is where I went wrong. Seemed to work well for the > newsgroups already there. But new ones later doesn't seem to be working > correctly. Boy that is a lot of work with lots of newsgroups. If you call up the list of filters you should see a different list depending on which group is selected. In TB3 you can use the news server drop down box to also pick the relevant group - you will note there is a sub menu that splits out from server. You can cheat a little if you want some filters duplicated, since all TBs config files are plain text, you can pop into the News folder in your profile and you will see a .dat file for each group - so for this one I have uk.d-i-y.dat and in there are all the filter rules. You can either copy this whole file to <new_group_name>.dat to duplicate them for another group or cut'n'past individual rules in a normal text editor. >>> So maybe people can understand why I don't find TB (or other ones I >>> have tried) very attractive. As OE6 works well and very quick. And >>> you can search past read posts very quickly as well. >> >> Each to his own I guess. > > OE seems so very efficient compared to other programs. As other programs > seem to make the user go through so much work and it really shouldn't be > that way. Oddly I find OE hugely frustrating - it must be it just does not work the way I think! Probably tells you something about either it or me ;-) -- Cheers, John. /=================================================================\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \=================================================================/
From: BillW50 on 27 May 2010 18:17 On 5/27/2010 3:41 PM, John Rumm wrote: > On 27/05/2010 17:52, BillW50 wrote: > >>>> Well one, the rule isn't always being applied in huge newsgroups. It >>>> is like TB is getting confused. Worse, it is having a problem >>>> reading all of the headers as well. As the status bar instead of >>>> going from left to right is jumping all over the place. This >>>> newsgroup on this server has over 12,000 posts, btw. >>> >>> One thing to watch is that message filters apply to individual groups >>> and not a news server as a whole, so you may need to duplicate some >>> filters between groups. >> >> Oh? Maybe that is where I went wrong. Seemed to work well for the >> newsgroups already there. But new ones later doesn't seem to be working >> correctly. Boy that is a lot of work with lots of newsgroups. > > If you call up the list of filters you should see a different list > depending on which group is selected. In TB3 you can use the news server > drop down box to also pick the relevant group - you will note there is a > sub menu that splits out from server. Yes I see it. > You can cheat a little if you want some filters duplicated, since all > TBs config files are plain text, you can pop into the News folder in > your profile and you will see a .dat file for each group - so for this > one I have uk.d-i-y.dat and in there are all the filter rules. You can > either copy this whole file to <new_group_name>.dat to duplicate them > for another group or cut'n'past individual rules in a normal text editor. Oh that is very handy! Thanks! >>>> So maybe people can understand why I don't find TB (or other ones I >>>> have tried) very attractive. As OE6 works well and very quick. And >>>> you can search past read posts very quickly as well. >>> >>> Each to his own I guess. >> >> OE seems so very efficient compared to other programs. As other programs >> seem to make the user go through so much work and it really shouldn't be >> that way. > > Oddly I find OE hugely frustrating - it must be it just does not work > the way I think! Probably tells you something about either it or me ;-) I can see and understand this. As There is the MS way of doing things and then there is the everybody else way of doing things. They are two completely different systems of doing things. And doing it the MS way does take a bit of a learning curve. And it is much harder the more you know of the other ways. In the long run though, I find it far more productive. One really annoying thing about OE was quoting. Although there is OE-QuoteFix which has taken care of that one. And I won't personally use OE without it. http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ -- Bill Thunderbird Portable 3.0 (20091130)
From: John Rumm on 27 May 2010 18:39
On 27/05/2010 23:17, BillW50 wrote: >>>> Each to his own I guess. >>> >>> OE seems so very efficient compared to other programs. As other programs >>> seem to make the user go through so much work and it really shouldn't be >>> that way. >> >> Oddly I find OE hugely frustrating - it must be it just does not work >> the way I think! Probably tells you something about either it or me ;-) > > I can see and understand this. As There is the MS way of doing things > and then there is the everybody else way of doing things. They are two > completely different systems of doing things. And doing it the MS way > does take a bit of a learning curve. And it is much harder the more you > know of the other ways. In the long run though, I find it far more > productive. I suspect its down to the way MS focus group test stuff and observe how users use things. As a result they often come at problems a different way or leave out subtle bits of functionality that some find confusing. It can make things easier to learn for novice users, but frequently also frustrates power users. The office "ribbon" being a good example. Users with no exposure to office style apps often find it easier to learn, but anyone used to another way of doing it (including previous users of MS office) find it difficult. (kind of like the opposite of Adobe with say photoshop - they will often go about a common feature in a way that seems more complicated than the others, but also in a way that opens up a whole new layer of extra power and flexibility for those who invest the time and effort really getting to understand what they are doing). > One really annoying thing about OE was quoting. Although there is > OE-QuoteFix which has taken care of that one. And I won't personally use > OE without it. > > http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ Yup agreed, that makes a huge improvement. Not sure if it fixes the phantom attachment problem though? -- Cheers, John. /=================================================================\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \=================================================================/ |