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From: Greegor on 20 May 2010 16:22 On unions: I know of a guy who worked at a large post office and like so many there, hated the job. He won millions in a lottery in the 1980's. He hated it so bad that he actually kept going to work to deliberately slack off, just to get revenge on the supervisors. It took them an ENTIRE YEAR to get rid of this blatantly insubordinate and deliberately unproductive worker. I had a friend who worked there for years and who got to see the spectacle play out!
From: John Larkin on 20 May 2010 16:37 On Thu, 20 May 2010 10:14:00 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat(a)yahoo.com wrote: >On May 20, 9:57 am, John Larkin wrote: >> Bill Sloman wrote: > > >> >You might be better off turning the company into a cooperative. At >> >least that way the poeple who inherit the company will have some >> >understanding of how it works and why it works that way. > >Ah yes, free love and drugs for everyone. > >> There was a fad in the '70s around here, centered in Berkeley of >> course, for co-op buisnesses; I still have a couple of the books, like >> "We Own It!" It was an interesting experiment. There seemed to be two >> available outcomes, sad failures and hilarious failures. >> >> A very few are still around. There's a co-op bakery on 9th avenue, not >> bad stuff actually. They close down one day a week just to meet and >> talk. And talk. And talk. I hear that it's painful for the majority. > > >I saw a cool thing on PBS just a few days ago about that era. > >A fellow was explaining how he and a bunch of fellow college students >with liberal educations surged out, full of energy and socialist >utopianism. They fled to the hills (e.g. Foxfire), to live together >in peace, equality, and free love. A commune, where all is fair and >free. > >They quickly learned just throwing seeds in the ground did not a farm >make, and that equality sucked. The chicks split, and then the guys >soon after. > >The guy winced, sheepishly, explaining/defending: they'd had their >eyes opened, only wasted two years doing it, and didn't hurt anyone in >the process... > >James I was just talking to Phil Hobbs about that recently. He pointed out that bad management is better than no management. At least it gets everybody pulling in the same direction. John
From: John Larkin on 20 May 2010 16:44 On Thu, 20 May 2010 08:24:09 +0100, Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote: >Equally the employer should treat employees fairly and not be entitled >to hire and fire on a whim in the way that seems so common in the USA. Employees can walk out on zero notice, leaving projects in random states. And they sometimes do. How about some symmetry? John
From: Martin Brown on 20 May 2010 17:14 On 20/05/2010 21:44, John Larkin wrote: > On Thu, 20 May 2010 08:24:09 +0100, Martin Brown > <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > >> Equally the employer should treat employees fairly and not be entitled >> to hire and fire on a whim in the way that seems so common in the USA. > > Employees can walk out on zero notice, leaving projects in random > states. And they sometimes do. How about some symmetry? I agree. Don't you have written contracts of employment? In the UK that symmetry exists at least on paper in many contracts of employment. When I worked for a corporate I was on 3 months notice (for either side - it might have been 6 months for the company later on) and my boss when he decided to leave was forced to work out his notice. It is a bit pointless though as someone who has signed a contract with another company and especially a competitor would have to be marched off site pretty much immediately anyway. That did happen sometimes. Only when the move was to a non competitor could you really insist on working out the notice period less any holidays due. Regards, Martin Brown
From: tm on 20 May 2010 17:37
"John Larkin" <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message news:gm7bv5trrjjrl1q7cvbtid8fteop5rholj(a)4ax.com... > On Thu, 20 May 2010 08:24:09 +0100, Martin Brown > <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > >>Equally the employer should treat employees fairly and not be entitled >>to hire and fire on a whim in the way that seems so common in the USA. > > Employees can walk out on zero notice, leaving projects in random > states. And they sometimes do. How about some symmetry? > > John > > Yep, it's called a contract. |