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From: J G Miller on 16 Feb 2010 15:56 On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:43:34 -0600, AZ Nomad wrote: > On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:19:50 +0100, J G Miller <miller(a)yoyo.ORG> wrote: >>On Tuesday, February 16th, 2010 at 17:06:41h +0000, Ray wrote: > >>> GNU Hurd is or was under development - did/does not use the Linux >>> kernel. > >>It is still hanging in there, so GNU/Hurd *does* use the Hurd kernel, >>and there is the Debian GNU/Hurd distribution. > >> <http://www.debian.ORG/ports/hurd/> > >>Similarly, Debian kFreeBSD uses the FreeBSD kernel but with GNU software >>and the other Debian packages. > >> <http://www.debian.ORG/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/> > > "GNU software" isn't a "GNU OS". You can build much gnu software to run > on solaris or even win32. Doesn't make it an operating system. Where did I say it was? Nowhere in my post did I use the term "operating system" or abbreviation OS. I would argue that an operating system requires numerous components, of which the main two are kernel (Linux, openBSD, Solaris etc) and the system utilities (base level GNU software).
From: General Schvantzkoph on 16 Feb 2010 16:17 On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 07:40:08 +0100, Magnus Warker wrote: > Hi, > > I lately talked to a collegue who said that Debian, Ubuntu and SLES are > different "operating systems". I said that there is only one linux (at > www.kernel.org) and that these are just distributions with different > packages and package management solutions. But he insisted that there > are also different operating systems. > > Well, I know that SuSE makes changes to the kernel for some reasons. > Could it be that he meant such things that make a unique operating > system? What dou you think? > > Magnus You really can't call them different operating systems, they are just different brand names for very similar things. If you say that Ubuntu is a different operating system then Fedora then would you say that Fedora 10 is a different operating system then Fedora 12? There are more differences between Fedora 10 and Fedora 12 then there are between Fedora 12 and Ubuntu 9.10. Linux continuously evolves so it's very difficult to put a line in the sand and say this version is a different OS then that version, if you tried to do that you could end up saying that the January 3rd snapshot of Fedora was a different OS then the Feb 16th snapshot.
From: jellybean stonerfish on 16 Feb 2010 16:59 On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:40:26 +0000, unruh wrote: > > Gnu is not an OS. It is a group of user programs. Hurd is an OS. The maintainers of gnu call it an OS. http://www.gnu.org/ I think the conflict comes from differing definitions of the term Operating System. If I have two computers with redhat linux, and one is turned off, I only have one operating system.
From: Keith Keller on 16 Feb 2010 17:21 On 2010-02-16, jellybean stonerfish <stonerfish(a)geocities.com> wrote: > > The maintainers of gnu call it an OS. > http://www.gnu.org/ The maintainers of GNU also say "Sometimes this combination is incorrectly called Linux," which seems a bit disingenuous, since GNU does not control what other people call their distribution. --keith -- kkeller-usenet(a)wombat.san-francisco.ca.us (try just my userid to email me) AOLSFAQ=http://www.therockgarden.ca/aolsfaq.txt see X- headers for PGP signature information
From: AZ Nomad on 16 Feb 2010 17:38
On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:56:30 +0100, J G Miller <miller(a)yoyo.ORG> wrote: >On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:43:34 -0600, AZ Nomad wrote: >> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:19:50 +0100, J G Miller <miller(a)yoyo.ORG> wrote: >>>On Tuesday, February 16th, 2010 at 17:06:41h +0000, Ray wrote: >> >>>> GNU Hurd is or was under development - did/does not use the Linux >>>> kernel. >> >>>It is still hanging in there, so GNU/Hurd *does* use the Hurd kernel, >>>and there is the Debian GNU/Hurd distribution. >> >>> <http://www.debian.ORG/ports/hurd/> >> >>>Similarly, Debian kFreeBSD uses the FreeBSD kernel but with GNU software >>>and the other Debian packages. >> >>> <http://www.debian.ORG/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/> >> >> "GNU software" isn't a "GNU OS". You can build much gnu software to run >> on solaris or even win32. Doesn't make it an operating system. >Where did I say it was? Oh, then your post was irrelevent to my question about distros. |