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From: NoOp on 9 Mar 2010 16:20
On 03/09/2010 12:06 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote:
> Mike Scott wrote:
>> Harold Fuchs wrote:
>> ...
>>>
>>> If someone is going to send the unsubscribed person a message, why
>>> not simply send him/her the responder's answer with the comment
>>> "forwarding to unsubscribed OP"?
>>>
>> I'd point out here that (a) you can't be quite sure the originator is
>> unsubscribed (your present message is so flagged, but offhand I'd say
>> you were a regular :-} ), and (b) what's to stop the OP being deluged
>> with kindly-meant responses all saying the same??
>
> There are certainly some exceptions -- like names we recognize, even
> under unsubscribed IDs -- that shouldn't get the canned message. It's
> one of the possible problems with automation, there'd have to be some
> sort of exception list maintained. As for multiple copies to the OP,
> that doesn't seem to happen now; there aren't very many people on that
> unofficial "team" and we tend to delay the response enough that we're
> not likely to duplicate. If the "team" were more formalized, we could do
> something like having these messages go to a separate account that those
> on the team would share, similar to the moderators list.

In the past the excuses for allowing unsubs to post to the list were
that there were insufficient alternatives for a new user to get
feedback/answers. The 3rd party forums were somewhat sketchy, etc., etc.
However, OOo has had it's own web based forum for some time now:
http://support.openoffice.org/index.html
[The OpenOffice.org Community Forum
The premier forum for OpenOffice.org users; immensely useful and
recommended]
http://user.services.openoffice.org/
http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/index.php

Note that the "Users Mail List" on
http://support.openoffice.org/index.html states:

<quote>
Users Mail List (Subscribe / Archives)
OpenOffice.org Project community support provided by a network of
hundreds of experienced users. You must be subscribed to post messages.
</quote>

Therefore, the answer is simple. Abide by the posted policy of *You must
be subscribed to post messages* and be done with it. All of this to and
fro about unsub's has detracted the actual purpose of these lists, and
has created more enemies for OOo than gained.

Then of course you have the opposite problem whereby some "new user" has
subscribed without knowing what a mail list is, then repeatedly complain
because they can't get off of the list. Currently over on the users list
you've got 'Gmail' with his/her repeated request to unsubscribe:

<quote>
Please urgently stop all e-mails to my computer . I have send a lot of
mails asking to stop this immediately.
</quote>

I looked up all posts by 'Gmail': payrollexcel(a)gmail.com and his very
first post (of 11) on 08 March 2010 is: "Unsubscribe please". So how did
'Gmail' get subscribed in the first place?

And the latest is Dennie Willams with:

<quote>
On 03/09/2010 08:23 AM, dennie williams wrote:
> I FEEL EXACTLY THE SAME WAY AS DOUG MacPHERSON! It is bordering on a
> complaint to the Internet authorities that you are flooding us with
emails
> totally unrelated to us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Dennie Williams
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "MacPherson, Doug E. (CA - Toronto)" <dmacpherson(a)deloitte.ca>
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:37 AM
> To: <users(a)openoffice.org>
> Subject: RE: [users] Bracketing List Items Together
>
>> Can someone please remove my address from the subscription list for this
>> forum (dmacpherson(a)deloitte.ca)! I have tried the auto remove and sent
>> numerous notes to the manual address and still no action. My address has
>> not changed in years so that is not the problem. This is way past
>> ridiculous and bordering on criminal that I cannot get off this list. I
>> just wish there was a third party I could appeal to get this fixed.
>>
>> Doug
</quote>

Lookup for Dennie Williams:denniew(a)optonline.net shows exactly one post
- the one posted above. Note that Doug has apparently been trying to get
off the list since 2008.



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