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From: Phil Howard on 7 Jul 2010 11:25
I am finally putting together a test mail server (something I wish I
had when putting together the first mail server, but lack of hardware
due to lack of funding flow limited that). But now I have another
machine.

But I am still seeing all the issues I had before with Ubuntu. At
first I tried to install an identical Ubuntu system as before (based
on 9.10 because that was current at the time of the first mail
server). Most of the issues are related to packaging (for example,
cannot uninstall a package because one of the config files it's trying
to delete does not exist ... touched it to make it exist and then it
happily removes the package).

Anyway ... I am considering expediting a switch to another
distribution. Or maybe just the latest version of Ubuntu.
Personally, I favor Slackware, since it is friendlier to installing
packages from upstream source (so I have the latest version). But I
will need to make a justification to management to add Slackware to
our mix (which is currently Centos, Debian, Fedora, and Ubuntu).

I want to get away from "hand holding" distribution packaging systems
.... too many bruises on my hands from that.

What I'd like to find out is what are known issues Postfix has with
these or other distributions (even if, and especially if, the
distribution itself is the cause of the issue). Also, does anyone
know a general rough estimate of the proportions of existing
distribution deployments to host Postfix? What distributions do the
heavier Postfix admins use? FYI, BSD is not ruled out, either.

This will be with Dovecot as the IMAP end.

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From: Jeroen Geilman on 7 Jul 2010 12:48
On 07/07/2010 05:25 PM, Phil Howard wrote:
> I am finally putting together a test mail server (something I wish I
> had when putting together the first mail server, but lack of hardware
> due to lack of funding flow limited that). But now I have another
> machine.
>
> But I am still seeing all the issues I had before with Ubuntu. At
> first I tried to install an identical Ubuntu system as before (based
> on 9.10 because that was current at the time of the first mail
> server). Most of the issues are related to packaging (for example,
> cannot uninstall a package because one of the config files it's trying
> to delete does not exist ... touched it to make it exist and then it
> happily removes the package).
>

Bla bla bla.. unrelated to postfix.

> Anyway ... I am considering expediting a switch to another
> distribution. Or maybe just the latest version of Ubuntu.
> Personally, I favor Slackware, since it is friendlier to installing
> packages from upstream source (so I have the latest version). But I
> will need to make a justification to management to add Slackware to
> our mix (which is currently Centos, Debian, Fedora, and Ubuntu).
>
>

More bla bla bla.. unrelated to postfix.

> I want to get away from "hand holding" distribution packaging systems
> ... too many bruises on my hands from that.
>
> What I'd like to find out is what are known issues Postfix has with
> these or other distributions (even if, and especially if, the
> distribution itself is the cause of the issue). Also, does anyone
> know a general rough estimate of the proportions of existing
> distribution deployments to host Postfix? What distributions do the
> heavier Postfix admins use? FYI, BSD is not ruled out, either.
>
>

I would suggest using a distribution or OS that allows you to configure
postfix properly.

Anything that interferes with that is not worth the effort.

Regardless, no specific distribution will be supported here.

If there are any known gotchas with specific OSes, these will be noted
in the documentation where applicable.


> This will be with Dovecot as the IMAP end.
>
>

Again, utterly not postfix related.

J.
(I'll be mogadored if I can find a postfix question anywhere in there)

From: Phil Howard on 7 Jul 2010 14:02
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:48, Jeroen Geilman <jeroen(a)adaptr.nl> wrote:

> I would suggest using a distribution or OS that allows you to configure
> postfix properly.

Name it.


> Anything that interferes with that is not worth the effort.

Which do you use?


> Regardless, no specific distribution will be supported here.

Maybe if you had read the background information instead of going bla
bla bla you would have understood what the purpose of all this is.
Who better to know what OS/distro works better with Postfix that those
who actually use it?


> If there are any known gotchas with specific OSes, these will be noted in
> the documentation where applicable.

Does that include things like easier to maintain Postfix? ... doesn't
interfere with Postfix? How about a summary?


>> This will be with Dovecot as the IMAP end.
>>
>>
>
> Again, utterly not postfix related.

Actually, it is related. But apparently you probably figure that if
anything involves 2 or more pieces of software, it's only related to
the other pieces (whichever they happen to be).


> (I'll be mogadored if I can find a postfix question anywhere in there)

Why did you bother responding if you have such a narrow view that you
cannot see it? Do you actually like to show off how arrogant you can
be?

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From: Phil Howard on 7 Jul 2010 14:42
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 14:30, Charles Marcus <CMarcus(a)media-brokers.com> wrote:
> On 2010-07-07 2:02 PM, Phil Howard wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:48, Jeroen Geilman <jeroen(a)adaptr.nl> wrote:
>>> I would suggest using a distribution or OS that allows you to configure
>>> postfix properly.
>
>> Name it.
>
> All of them?

No. Clearly not the case. Ubuntu is an example which interferes with
Postfix. I'm trying to determine if others are more or less so. I
suspect at least some surely must be less so.


>>> Anything that interferes with that is not worth the effort.
>
>> Which do you use?
>
> Gentoo...

OK. I'll include that in consideration.


>>> Regardless, no specific distribution will be supported here.
>
>> Who better to know what OS/distro works better with Postfix that those
>> who actually use it?
>
> It is a meaningless question. They all work equally well, as long as you
> know how to configure it within the confines of the OS you are working with.
>
> And it is usually best to go first to the support list for the OS you
> are using to ask questions, to make sure the problem isn't due to some
> OS and/or packaging quirk/customization, and only come here once you've
> determined the problem is likely a basic (or advanced) postfix config issue.

Ubuntu works reasonably OK with everything else I've used on it.
Problem exist with Postfix on it. They've said to address it with
Postfix. I personally think the specific problems are more of how
Ubuntu handles Postfix poorly. One issue (which may be part of the
problem) is the Postfix package in Ubuntu being an older one.


>>> If there are any known gotchas with specific OSes, these will be noted in
>>> the documentation where applicable.
>
>> Does that include things like easier to maintain Postfix? ... doesn't
>> interfere with Postfix?  How about a summary?
>
> Do you seriously expect a meaningful answer to such a broad question on
> a mail list?

Where's the Postfix support web forum, then? Since the mailing list
is the only real place with lost of Postfix experts, this must be the
place.

My question is a question about using Postfix. I thought this was the
postfix-users mailing list. Or did my subscription get crosswired to
the postfix-developers mailing list?


> Ok, well, if you must have an answer, it is 42.

Oh, I thought you were saying it was Gentoo.

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From: Scott Kitterman on 7 Jul 2010 15:00
On Wednesday, July 07, 2010 14:42:29 Phil Howard wrote:

> Ubuntu works reasonably OK with everything else I've used on it.
> Problem exist with Postfix on it. They've said to address it with
> Postfix. I personally think the specific problems are more of how
> Ubuntu handles Postfix poorly. One issue (which may be part of the
> problem) is the Postfix package in Ubuntu being an older one.

No. It really doesn't. If you don't understand how to use your distro
package management system, you should seek help in a distro specific venue.


Scott K

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