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From: Juanjo on 27 Apr 2010 03:11 On Apr 24, 8:08 pm, Francogrex <fra...(a)grex.org> wrote: > On Apr 23, 6:07 pm, Xah Lee <xah...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > then, click on the Report as spam for the 10 spam posts that shows > > on the first page. > > It's useless; Google doesn't do anything significant to stop the spam. > This is evident from the fact that I and others have been reporting > those for a very long time and I even sent emails to google staff I have noticed the following: if I click on a "report spam" link, the RSS view of the group contains less spam. Today I came here and out of the 10 spam messages in the front page of Google Groups only three were in my RSS view in Google Reader. Coincidence? Probably not.
From: Xah Lee on 28 Apr 2010 00:21 On Apr 27, 12:11Â am, Juanjo <juanjose.garciarip...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > On Apr 24, 8:08Â pm, Francogrex <fra...(a)grex.org> wrote: > > > On Apr 23, 6:07Â pm,XahLee<xah...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > then, click on the âReport as spamâ for the 10 spam posts that shows > > > on the first page. > > > It's useless; Google doesn't do anything significant to stop the spam. > > This is evident from the fact that I and others have been reporting > > those for a very long time and I even sent emails to google staff > > I have noticed the following: if I click on a "report spam" link, the > RSS view of the group contains less spam. Today I came here and out of > the 10 spam messages in the front page of Google Groups only three > were in my RSS view in Google Reader. Coincidence? Probably not. yes i agree that google care, and do something about this. The click spam feature was added recently, perhaps 6 months ago, that indicates they do care, even if it is not that effective. also, how effective it is depends of course on how many people report spam. For groups like comp.lang.lisp, many are old timers, don't use google, and the readership is already comparatively very small. So, it can get worse. another thing might be interesting is that the spam rate seems to depends on the newsgroup too. For example, comp.lang.lisp is now 95% spam, but however, comp.lang.python gets almost no spam at least as shown in google group. This probably has to do with number of users, and also that comp.lang.python is mirrored with python's mailing list. technology marches on by changing needs. In the 1990s or before, newsgroup is effectively the only medium and technology of subject oriented online forum. (besides a few commercial ones, e.g. CompuServe) Thru the years since 1990s which i personally lived thru, other tech of communication came into being that became widely adopted, roughly in chronological order: mailing lists, irc, faq-o- matic (a pre-cursor to wiki), Instant messaging, blogs, wiki, social network sites, youtube, twitter, and today much of these are all intermingled and inter-connected. For example, much sites that do any type of communication often has mailing list, web feed (rss/atom), web interface, instant messaging, all together as one integrated technology, not as much as independent technologies. (e.g. facebook, much of google's many services) Voice and video chat and conferencing is today almost everywhere too. One point i would like to note that is, if google didn't provide the newsgroup service in 2001 (or the dejanews didn't start it), newsgroup might have gone the ways of dinosaur, much like many unix net tech such as who, talk, finger, gopher. some wikipedia link for those curious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dejanews http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CompuServe Xah â http://xahlee.org/ â
From: Tim Bradshaw on 28 Apr 2010 04:42 On 2010-04-28 05:21:42 +0100, Xah Lee said: > yes i agree that google care, and do something about this. The problem, really, is whether google do anything (or *can* do anything) which helps people who do not use google groups as their access mechanism. Unless they do/can then there's no real incentive for people who do not use google groups to read news to paricipate in their anti-spam stuff (especially as several other public servers provide radically better spam filtering already). I don't know how spam is dealt with in newsgroups nowadays. I remember when it started the approach was that people would post cancel messages and these would propagate and nuke the spam. Something like that ought still to work, I think, though you'd want the cancel messages to be somehow signed so you could tell where they came from, to prevent the bad guys cancelling everything. Does anyone know if google do anything like that (or maintain any kind of system which is usable by other people?). --tim
From: o.jasper on 29 Apr 2010 10:15 Ok finally got the damned usenet-reader to work.. More fuss than it should be.. (Sylpheed, not entirely happy with its interface..) With RSS one could just pop in the URL and it will find the appropriate .rss file. There should be a standard to do the same to find the name of a newsgroup.(you see on the web with interfaces like this) Of course, you need to also find some usenet server.. I agree though, i don't like all this use of 'web stuff' used where our own computer is perfectly capable of doing it. The problem is that doing it on a web interface can get you advertising benefits and such, and installing stuff on ones own computer can be trickier, or even prohibited by an employer..
From: Ross Lonstein on 29 Apr 2010 18:59
Tim X <timx(a)nospam.dev.null> writes: > pjb(a)informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon) writes: [snip] >> Don't worry, when they'll have to give a name/password for then 101th >> time, even the newbie generation will eventuall be fed up and will >> reinvent usenet. Of course, it will be much more complex, XML-based, >> and require a massively parallel supercomputer to run at acceptable >> speed. Nonetheless, they're bound to reinvent it. > > You forgot to mention it will use SOAP, RPC and a plugin for facebook as > well as provide a twitter interface! [snip] And this time, the revolution will be monetized. - Ross |