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From: John Navas on 21 Jul 2006 13:08
It's really a bad idea to share the root. Just copy/move whatever files
you want to share to the Shared Documents folder -- that's what it's
for.

On 21 Jul 2006 09:47:33 -0700, "Tim" <meftsimmons(a)yahoo.com> wrote in
<1153500453.844395.3360(a)m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:

>I may just share the root but deny any altering privilege. Just want
>to be able to transfer files to and from my PC w/o burning CD or using
>removable ram or whatever.

>John Navas wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:38:01 +0100, Mark McIntyre
>> <markmcintyre(a)spamcop.net> wrote in
>> <42m1c25u99u1t8cssueem5fani5ppaf60c(a)4ax.com>:
>>
>> >On 20 Jul 2006 18:42:25 -0700, in alt.internet.wireless , "Tim"
>> ><meftsimmons(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>I shared the C: drive, I turned off simple sharing, I see my PC name on
>> >>the wireless when mapping drive but I click the + and no folders show
>> >>up even tho I have C: and one other shared. I map directly using
>> >>//pcname/C$ and it still doesn't work.
>> >
>> >You need to set permissions on the shares AND on the directories so
>> >that the laptop username can see them. Generally this means making the
>> >share and directory readable by the EVERYONE group.
>>
>> To give everyone [shudder] access, use Simple File Sharing. See
>> "How to configure file sharing in Windows XP"
>> <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/304040/>
>>
>> However, for anyone with XP Pro (not Home), I strongly recommend
>> controlled sharing of folders instead of Simple File Sharing. See
>> "How to disable simplified sharing and set permissions on a shared
>> folder in Windows XP" <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307874/>
>>
>> >By the way, NEVER share out the root of your C drive, it contains
>> >vital system files and if someone hacks in, your PC can be compromised
>> >totally. Only ever share out secure subfolders.
>>
>> True, except that Simple File Sharing *isn't* secure.

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From: Mark McIntyre on 21 Jul 2006 15:06
On 21 Jul 2006 09:47:33 -0700, in alt.internet.wireless , "Tim"
<meftsimmons(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

>Thanks for the replies.
>
>I may just share the root but deny any altering privilege. Just want
>to be able to transfer files to and from my PC w/o burning CD or using
>removable ram or whatever.

This REALLY is a bad idea. You should create a subdirectory and share
that.
Theres absolutely no need to share out your root directory. Why woud
you want people to be able to copy your autoexec.bat, image your
swapfile (and thereby take an image of any applications you might have
had in it), copy your boot files etc?

>John Navas wrote:
>> To give everyone [shudder] access, use Simple File Sharing.

This is not entirely correct - I have set up between XP Pro and XP
Home without using Simple File Sharing on the XPHome machine. Its
fairly painful but possible.

(another classic from MS this, proper file sharing is apparently too
hard for the target users so they dumb it down to the useless and
insecure level...)

>> >By the way, NEVER share out the root of your C drive, it contains
>> >vital system files and if someone hacks in, your PC can be compromised
>> >totally. Only ever share out secure subfolders.
>>
>> True, except that Simple File Sharing *isn't* secure.

Quite !
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Mark McIntyre
From: Tim on 21 Jul 2006 23:02
I guess because to copy files I want to share would copy 40 gig and
that would kill my 80 gig HD (40 gig copied to a shared folder...).



Anyway, how can anyone access my root drive if I have MAC filtering,
WPA with a strong password and I am not broadcasting SSID and I live in
hickville?



Tim
Mark McIntyre wrote:
> On 21 Jul 2006 09:47:33 -0700, in alt.internet.wireless , "Tim"
> <meftsimmons(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Thanks for the replies.
> >
> >I may just share the root but deny any altering privilege. Just want
> >to be able to transfer files to and from my PC w/o burning CD or using
> >removable ram or whatever.
>
> This REALLY is a bad idea. You should create a subdirectory and share
> that.
> Theres absolutely no need to share out your root directory. Why woud
> you want people to be able to copy your autoexec.bat, image your
> swapfile (and thereby take an image of any applications you might have
> had in it), copy your boot files etc?
>
> >John Navas wrote:
> >> To give everyone [shudder] access, use Simple File Sharing.
>
> This is not entirely correct - I have set up between XP Pro and XP
> Home without using Simple File Sharing on the XPHome machine. Its
> fairly painful but possible.
>
> (another classic from MS this, proper file sharing is apparently too
> hard for the target users so they dumb it down to the useless and
> insecure level...)
>
> >> >By the way, NEVER share out the root of your C drive, it contains
> >> >vital system files and if someone hacks in, your PC can be compromised
> >> >totally. Only ever share out secure subfolders.
> >>
> >> True, except that Simple File Sharing *isn't* secure.
>
> Quite !
> --
> Mark McIntyre

From: John Navas on 21 Jul 2006 23:11
On 21 Jul 2006 20:02:24 -0700, "Tim" <meftsimmons(a)yahoo.com> wrote in
<1153537344.358975.281890(a)75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:

>I guess because to copy files I want to share would copy 40 gig and
>that would kill my 80 gig HD (40 gig copied to a shared folder...).

Then move it there, which costs no disk space.

>Anyway, how can anyone access my root drive if I have MAC filtering,
>WPA with a strong password and I am not broadcasting SSID and I live in
>hickville?

THE GOOD
* WPA with a strong password (if it really is strong).
THE BAD:
* MAC filtering is pointless.
* SSID hiding is pointless.
THE UGLY
* You're connected to the Internet
* Your firmware and software undoubtedly have exploitable weaknesses

Why take unnecessary chances in any event?

>Tim
>Mark McIntyre wrote:
>> On 21 Jul 2006 09:47:33 -0700, in alt.internet.wireless , "Tim"
>> <meftsimmons(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Thanks for the replies.
>> >
>> >I may just share the root but deny any altering privilege. Just want
>> >to be able to transfer files to and from my PC w/o burning CD or using
>> >removable ram or whatever.
>>
>> This REALLY is a bad idea. You should create a subdirectory and share
>> that.
>> Theres absolutely no need to share out your root directory. Why woud
>> you want people to be able to copy your autoexec.bat, image your
>> swapfile (and thereby take an image of any applications you might have
>> had in it), copy your boot files etc?
>>
>> >John Navas wrote:
>> >> To give everyone [shudder] access, use Simple File Sharing.
>>
>> This is not entirely correct - I have set up between XP Pro and XP
>> Home without using Simple File Sharing on the XPHome machine. Its
>> fairly painful but possible.
>>
>> (another classic from MS this, proper file sharing is apparently too
>> hard for the target users so they dumb it down to the useless and
>> insecure level...)
>>
>> >> >By the way, NEVER share out the root of your C drive, it contains
>> >> >vital system files and if someone hacks in, your PC can be compromised
>> >> >totally. Only ever share out secure subfolders.
>> >>
>> >> True, except that Simple File Sharing *isn't* secure.
>>
>> Quite !
>> --
>> Mark McIntyre

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From: Mark McIntyre on 22 Jul 2006 12:16
On 21 Jul 2006 20:02:24 -0700, in alt.internet.wireless , "Tim"
<meftsimmons(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

>I guess because to copy files I want to share would copy 40 gig and
>that would kill my 80 gig HD (40 gig copied to a shared folder...).

This doesn't make sense. Firstly you would move the file, not copy it
and secondly the root of your C drive is still on the same 80Gig
drive, so whether you store the file in C:\ or c:\shared_files makes
no difference in terms of space occupied.

BTW a 40GB file is going to be unsharable anyway by any form of
wireless combined with DSL. And what sort of file is 40GB in size,
thats large even for DVD.... ?

>Anyway, how can anyone access my root drive if I have MAC filtering,
>WPA with a strong password and I am not broadcasting SSID and I live in
>hickville?

*sigh*.

Obscurity is NOT security. Could be worse in hicksville, nothing for
your teen-aged neighbours kids to do of an evening except torch
hayricks and try hacking wireless.
Mac filtering and SSID hiding serve no serious purpose.
WPA is harder to crack but not impossible and anyone with wired access
(eg coming in from the internet) is *inside* your wireless security.

Seems to me that already made up your mind. Thats ok, the purpose of
my post was to point out that you're doing something dumb, not to stop
you doing it. Here's an idea tho - if someone has read access to your
C:\ drive, then with XP Home they can almost certainly read anything
on your entire C drive. For example they could read all your system
config (maybe license keys etc), copy cookie files (eg from your
internet banking) copy emails (eg to your secret lover) copy documents
(eg to your lawyer about your wife) etc etc etc. If you're cool about
that, ok. If you prefer to keep that stuff safe, then share out a
subdir and give no access to Everyone.

Also could you not top post in technical groups, it makes answers very
hard to understand.
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