i386 or amd64 debian for new intel 64 bit cpu?
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From: Nasser M. Abbasi on 30 May 2010 15:10 I've got a new intel 64 bit PC. I installed i386 latest debian on it. It works fine. Then I noticed there is amd64 debian also. http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ Would it be better to install amd64 instead? I am assume amd64 will work on this pc. How is debian 64 bit support for 32 bit applications? Why is it called amd64 btw? why not intel64? may be becuase amd had 64 bit before intel? I have to format the disk and start all over, I think, but that would be ok. thanks --Nasser
From: Robert Heller on 30 May 2010 15:41 At Sun, 30 May 2010 12:10:59 -0700 "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma(a)12000.org> wrote: > > I've got a new intel 64 bit PC. I installed i386 latest debian on it. > > It works fine. Then I noticed there is amd64 debian also. > > http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ > > Would it be better to install amd64 instead? I am assume amd64 will work > on this pc. How is debian 64 bit support for 32 bit applications? Why is > it called amd64 btw? why not intel64? may be becuase amd had 64 bit > before intel? Yes and no. Originally Intel had a 64 bit instruction set, the ia64. I think Intel still makes chips with this instruction set, but Intel now uses AMD's 64 bit instruction set (known as x86_64) in their mainstream processors -- the ones you are likely to get in retail commodity PCs (including 'Intel' Macs). I think this is much like when Sony gave up on BetaMAX VCRs and started making VHS (JVC's invention) VCRs. > > I have to format the disk and start all over, I think, but that would be ok. Yes indeed -- DON'T try to 'upgrade' from 32-bit to 64-bit. This is likely to create a 'mess'. Do a proper 'fresh' install. > > thanks > --Nasser > > > -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 Deepwoods Software -- Download the Model Railroad System http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Binaries for Linux and MS-Windows heller(a)deepsoft.com -- http://www.deepsoft.com/ModelRailroadSystem/
From: The Natural Philosopher on 30 May 2010 15:54 Robert Heller wrote: > At Sun, 30 May 2010 12:10:59 -0700 "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma(a)12000.org> wrote: > >> I've got a new intel 64 bit PC. I installed i386 latest debian on it. >> >> It works fine. Then I noticed there is amd64 debian also. >> >> http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ >> >> Would it be better to install amd64 instead? I am assume amd64 will work >> on this pc. How is debian 64 bit support for 32 bit applications? Why is >> it called amd64 btw? why not intel64? may be becuase amd had 64 bit >> before intel? > > Yes and no. Originally Intel had a 64 bit instruction set, the ia64. > I think Intel still makes chips with this instruction set, but Intel > now uses AMD's 64 bit instruction set (known as x86_64) in their > mainstream processors -- the ones you are likely to get in retail > commodity PCs (including 'Intel' Macs). I think this is much like when > Sony gave up on BetaMAX VCRs and started making VHS (JVC's invention) > VCRs. > >> I have to format the disk and start all over, I think, but that would be ok. > > Yes indeed -- DON'T try to 'upgrade' from 32-bit to 64-bit. This is > likely to create a 'mess'. Do a proper 'fresh' install. Yup. I did this: essentially everything could be got to work except an HP scanner which only had an HP 32 bit driver. That was dead. Few minor buglets at the moment, but by and large stable and a lot faster on screen update rate. > >> thanks >> --Nasser >> >> >> >
From: Nasser M. Abbasi on 30 May 2010 16:39 On 05/30/2010 12:54 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Robert Heller wrote: >> At Sun, 30 May 2010 12:10:59 -0700 "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma(a)12000.org> >> >>> I have to format the disk and start all over, I think, but that would >>> be ok. >> >> Yes indeed -- DON'T try to 'upgrade' from 32-bit to 64-bit. This is >> likely to create a 'mess'. Do a proper 'fresh' install. > > Yup. > > I did this: essentially everything could be got to work except an HP > scanner which only had an HP 32 bit driver. That was dead. > > Few minor buglets at the moment, but by and large stable and a lot > faster on screen update rate. > OMG ! I have an HP scanner (HP scanjet 5590) which I can't live without. I wonder if debian has a tool which one can run, which checks all the hardware on the PC for compatibility with 64 debian OS? This way one can run this script, and find out if all currently connected devices will work or not on 64bit debian, before going through the installation. I have also Fujistu scanSnap device, and Samsung CLR-15 printer which I'd like to still use. These all now work ok on 32bit debian. --Nasser
From: Robert Heller on 30 May 2010 18:34
At Sun, 30 May 2010 13:39:38 -0700 "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma(a)12000.org> wrote: > > On 05/30/2010 12:54 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > > Robert Heller wrote: > >> At Sun, 30 May 2010 12:10:59 -0700 "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma(a)12000.org> > > > >> > >>> I have to format the disk and start all over, I think, but that would > >>> be ok. > >> > > >> Yes indeed -- DON'T try to 'upgrade' from 32-bit to 64-bit. This is > >> likely to create a 'mess'. Do a proper 'fresh' install. > > > > > Yup. > > > > I did this: essentially everything could be got to work except an HP > > scanner which only had an HP 32 bit driver. That was dead. > > > > Few minor buglets at the moment, but by and large stable and a lot > > faster on screen update rate. > > > > OMG ! I have an HP scanner (HP scanjet 5590) which I can't live without. > > I wonder if debian has a tool which one can run, which checks all the > hardware on the PC for compatibility with 64 debian OS? There *should* be a 'Live CD' -- basically this a version of the OS 'installed' on a CD that can be booted up. > > This way one can run this script, and find out if all currently > connected devices will work or not on 64bit debian, before going through > the installation. I have also Fujistu scanSnap device, and Samsung > CLR-15 printer which I'd like to still use. These all now work ok on > 32bit debian. > > --Nasser > -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 Deepwoods Software -- Download the Model Railroad System http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Binaries for Linux and MS-Windows heller(a)deepsoft.com -- http://www.deepsoft.com/ModelRailroadSystem/ |