From: Doug Anderson on
nospam(a)see.signature (Richard Maine) writes:

> Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Michael" <mcsemike50(a)gmail.com> writes:
> >
>
> > > I assume once we choose language, country,
> > > time zone, make an admin acct., etc. that he can change the resolution
> > > so icons and labels can be a little larger.
> >
> > Yes, once he has an account he can do System Preferences -> Displays
> > to change resolution if that is helpful to him.
> >
> > There is an argument to be made though that he wants to keep
> > resolution the largest possible, and just change icon size and font
> > size to something comfortable in each application.
> >
> > A way to do that for the Finder (the basic application that runs the
> > desktop you look at) is to click on the background, click on "View" at
> > the top, select "Show View Options" from the menu, and then adjust the
> > icon size and text size as desired.
> >
> > This will make things on the desktop bigger - I suspect he'll still
> > need to adjust font sizes in individual applications to suit him.
>
> Don't forget the zoom feature of control-scrollwheel. My old eyes often
> find that useful.

As did my middle-aged eyes until I broke down and sprung for a pair of
progressives.

A valuable feature that lots of people don't know about!
From: Richard Maine on
Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> nospam(a)see.signature (Richard Maine) writes:
> >
> > Don't forget the zoom feature of control-scrollwheel. My old eyes often
> > find that useful.
>
> As did my middle-aged eyes until I broke down and sprung for a pair of
> progressives.
>
> A valuable feature that lots of people don't know about!

Yeah. I tried progressives, but they didn't work out for me. Tried two
different ones in case the first was a lemon. I understand that it
varies widely whether people hate em, love em, or somewhere between. I'm
towards the "hate em" side - not avidly so, but in that direction.
Certainly worth trying though, as I understand there are plenty of
people on the "love em" side.

What does help me is having a second pair of (regular, lined) bifocals
specifically for computer use. Basically, the computer screen is too far
for the usual reading part of the bifocals and to close for the distant
part. If you use the regular bifocals, you can end up shoving your face
up too close to the screen and craning your neck up so as to look
through the bottom reading part. That's horrible on your neck. For
computer bifocals, they set the top part to a medium distance
corresponding to about where you tend to have your computer screen. Some
people just use single focus lenses for the purpose. My opticial
recommended doing them as bifocals; I'm glad he recommended that, as I'm
often also reading closer paper things while using the computer.

I understand that some people go with trifocals for the purpose instead
of switching glasses, but I'm sure I couldn't stand the small zones that
would result.

The only problem I have with them is a tendency to forget that I have
them on. Distance vision is good enough with them that it doesn't
imediately clue me in until I try to read something at a distance (like
a street sign).

--
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From: Doug Anderson on
nospam(a)see.signature (Richard Maine) writes:

> Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > nospam(a)see.signature (Richard Maine) writes:
> > >
> > > Don't forget the zoom feature of control-scrollwheel. My old eyes often
> > > find that useful.
> >
> > As did my middle-aged eyes until I broke down and sprung for a pair of
> > progressives.
> >
> > A valuable feature that lots of people don't know about!
>
> Yeah. I tried progressives, but they didn't work out for me. Tried two
> different ones in case the first was a lemon. I understand that it
> varies widely whether people hate em, love em, or somewhere between. I'm
> towards the "hate em" side - not avidly so, but in that direction.
> Certainly worth trying though, as I understand there are plenty of
> people on the "love em" side.

I have a big face, and got big lenses. I think this helps some in
getting used to progressives, but I'm sure it isn't the only factor.
I love mine. Before nothing was perfectly in focus, and now I can
focus on anything. It is true that only a small part of my field of
vision is in focus, but I'm OK with that except when I'm doing
something like hiking (or looking around a room for a lost object).

> What does help me is having a second pair of (regular, lined) bifocals
> specifically for computer use. Basically, the computer screen is too far
> for the usual reading part of the bifocals and to close for the distant
> part. If you use the regular bifocals, you can end up shoving your face
> up too close to the screen and craning your neck up so as to look
> through the bottom reading part. That's horrible on your neck. For
> computer bifocals, they set the top part to a medium distance
> corresponding to about where you tend to have your computer screen. Some
> people just use single focus lenses for the purpose. My opticial
> recommended doing them as bifocals; I'm glad he recommended that, as I'm
> often also reading closer paper things while using the computer.

Yes, that sounds pretty convenient.

> I understand that some people go with trifocals for the purpose instead
> of switching glasses, but I'm sure I couldn't stand the small zones that
> would result.

Right. It is probably similar to the issues people have with
progressives.
From: Michael on

"Doug Anderson" <ethelthelogremovethis(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:62sk7xpuwj.fsf(a)ethel.the.log...
> "Michael" <mcsemike50(a)gmail.com> writes:
>
>> "Nick Naym" <nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:C7C7109F.55162%nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid...
>> > In article grsk7yid0c.fsf(a)ethel.the.log, Doug Anderson at
>> > ethelthelogremovethis(a)gmail.com wrote on 3/17/10 10:23 PM:
>> >
>> >> "Michael Neuhaus" <mcsemike50(a)gmail.com> writes:
>> >>
>> >>> I'm trying to help my 83 year old father. He's having trouble reading
>> >>> the setup booklet that came with the 27" 3.06 model. Does anyone know
>> >>> of an online pdf or some tech site that might have something we can
>> >>> download? I'm a windows tech but know nothing about Macs. Many thanks
>> >>> in advance.
>> >>
>> >> What sort of thing is he having trouble with? He should be able to
>> >> plug in the keyboard, plug the machine into the wall, and just follow
>> >> instructions to set it up.
>> >
>> > Really? That's all there is to it? It's no different than plugging in a
>> > toaster or TV?
>> >
>> > Oh.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> If he has ethernet nearby, he may want to plug in the ethernet too.
>> >>
>> >
>> > --
>> > iMac (27", 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB RAM, 1 TB HDD) ? OS X
>> > (10.6.2)
>>
>> Yes, those specs sound like what he bought. He knows macs reasonably
>> well, having owned several since 1984. His most current is the one
>> with the white half globe.
>
> A G4 iMac.
>
>> It's the tiny print in the little booklet
>> that's giving him trouble.
>
> My suspicion is the little booklet won't help very much - my memory of
> these booklets is that they cover things like where the on/off switch
> is, and how to plug the machine in.
>
>> I assume once we choose language, country,
>> time zone, make an admin acct., etc. that he can change the resolution
>> so icons and labels can be a little larger.
>
> Yes, once he has an account he can do System Preferences -> Displays
> to change resolution if that is helpful to him.
>
> There is an argument to be made though that he wants to keep
> resolution the largest possible, and just change icon size and font
> size to something comfortable in each application.
>
> A way to do that for the Finder (the basic application that runs the
> desktop you look at) is to click on the background, click on "View" at
> the top, select "Show View Options" from the menu, and then adjust the
> icon size and text size as desired.
>
> This will make things on the desktop bigger - I suspect he'll still
> need to adjust font sizes in individual applications to suit him.
>
>> I think that would make
>> the mac usable for him. Thank you. Michael.

I sat and set it all up for him and then as you said he could change the
entire resolution. The one it comes with is too small for him but the next
one looked good. Thanks again.

From: Fred Moore on
In article <1jfjntb.f16p9t16fr9xmN%nospam(a)see.signature>,
nospam(a)see.signature (Richard Maine) wrote:

> Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > nospam(a)see.signature (Richard Maine) writes:
> > >
> > > Don't forget the zoom feature of control-scrollwheel. My old eyes often
> > > find that useful.
> >
> > As did my middle-aged eyes until I broke down and sprung for a pair of
> > progressives.
> >
> > A valuable feature that lots of people don't know about!
>
> Yeah. I tried progressives, but they didn't work out for me. Tried two
> different ones in case the first was a lemon. I understand that it
> varies widely whether people hate em, love em, or somewhere between. I'm
> towards the "hate em" side - not avidly so, but in that direction.
> Certainly worth trying though, as I understand there are plenty of
> people on the "love em" side.

Richard, my wife tried progressives, and they made her terminally
nauseous.

However, about 10 yrs. ago when I became presbyopic, I tried them. It
took me a full *9* months of hard work, wearing them a few minutes a day
then increasing the time, until I got comfortable with them. I suppose I
had to retrain my eye-brain interface. But now, I LOVE them and wear
them much more than my mono-focal glasses. I do prefer the mono-focals
for extended periods of distance viewing, such as driving across
country. Otherwise, the progressives are great.