From: nospam on
In article <gu07269u936qjdqs3718dnrrtrr96v4djv(a)4ax.com>, John Navas
<jncl1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:

> p.s. That you have to hold it in your hands to view it comfortably is a
> huge issue (for me at least). And it's painful to watch people try to
> "type" on the iPad laid flat, usually with just one or two slow fingers
> on the virtual touch keyboard -- needs Swype -- in marked contrast to
> people comfortably typing on real notebook and netbook keyboards with
> properly angled displays.

there are many things an ipad does that do not require typing, but you
can't see that through your hatred.

of course when android tablets come out with tablets and touch
keyboards, the haters will be saying how amazing it is.

how about that new libretto, a netbook with a touchscreen on both top
and bottom, which means a touch keyboard? where's the criticism for
that?

<http://laptops.toshiba.com/laptops/libretto/W100>
From: Peter Lawrence on
On 6/24/10 8:20 AM, John Navas wrote:
>
> In the Starbucks this morning there were two notebooks, one netbook, and
> one iPad. The notebooks and netbook were all working comfortably. By
> comparison the iPad clearly wasn't comfortable for the user. First he
> sat holding it in his hands like a book. But that way he could only
> swipe with his thumbs, no typing. He laid it down flat on the table to
> type, but then had to lean forward uncomfortably to use it. I asked him
> how he liked it. He said, "It's cool, but I still need to get the hang
> of it." Or find a coffee place with tilted tables. ;)

I've noticed that too. The iPad is fine for anything that doesn't involve
typing. But trying to type on it is awkward unless it's placed on a stand
or you have it on your lap with your legs up. (One will probably see more
and more iPad users doing this, taking up an extra chair at coffee shops.)


- Peter

From: George Kerby on



On 6/24/10 11:20 AM, in article gu07269u936qjdqs3718dnrrtrr96v4djv(a)4ax.com,
"John Navas" <jncl1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 08:20:05 -0700, in
> <vit62614mpru83b8fj3nmp9t1taf2dlqbo(a)4ax.com>, John Navas
> <jncl1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> In the Starbucks this morning there were two notebooks, one netbook, and
>> one iPad. The notebooks and netbook were all working comfortably. By
>> comparison the iPad clearly wasn't comfortable for the user. First he
>> sat holding it in his hands like a book. But that way he could only
>> swipe with his thumbs, no typing. He laid it down flat on the table to
>> type, but then had to lean forward uncomfortably to use it. I asked him
>> how he liked it. He said, "It's cool, but I still need to get the hang
>> of it." Or find a coffee place with tilted tables. ;)
>>
>> iPad: An answer in search of a question.
>
> p.s. That you have to hold it in your hands to view it comfortably is a
> huge issue (for me at least).

Patting your head while rubbing your belly is a huge issue for you, NaASS.

That doesn't mean that others are as challenged in motor functions...

From: Todd Allcock on
At 24 Jun 2010 09:20:02 -0700 John Navas wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 08:20:05 -0700, in
> <vit62614mpru83b8fj3nmp9t1taf2dlqbo(a)4ax.com>, John Navas
> <jncl1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
> >In the Starbucks this morning there were two notebooks, one netbook,
and
> >one iPad. The notebooks and netbook were all working comfortably. By
> >comparison the iPad clearly wasn't comfortable for the user. First he
> >sat holding it in his hands like a book. But that way he could only
> >swipe with his thumbs, no typing. He laid it down flat on the table to
> >type, but then had to lean forward uncomfortably to use it. I asked
him
> >how he liked it. He said, "It's cool, but I still need to get the hang
> >of it." Or find a coffee place with tilted tables. ;)
> >
> >iPad: An answer in search of a question.
>
> p.s. That you have to hold it in your hands to view it comfortably is a
> huge issue (for me at least). And it's painful to watch people try to
> "type" on the iPad laid flat, usually with just one or two slow fingers
> on the virtual touch keyboard -- needs Swype -- in marked contrast to
> people comfortably typing on real notebook and netbook keyboards with
> properly angled displays.


Six of one, half dozen of the other- what you lose in typing convenience
on the iPad you make up with ease of "clicking," scrolling, and zooming
on a tablet vs. using the integrated track pad on a netbook.
Notebook/netbooks are primarily content creation devices, tablets are
primarily consumption oriented. I'll concede, however, the
netbook/notebook is less awkward at consuming than tablets are at creating,
making the netbook the more versatile device to use if you're limited to
a single device. They're all compromise devices, of course- users have
to decide what is most important to them, and what features to compromise
on. My biggest gripe with the iPad isn't the virtual keyboard or lack of
flash or whatever- it's the dependence on a singular "sync" PC for file
transfers and media sideloading. Any tablet I use will have to have an
accessable file system and the ability to transfer files via USB or
wireless without proprietary sync software like my netbook allows or it's
no deal. That's my personal Maginot Line in mobile computing and why I'm
still a WinMo user despite the antiquated and awkward UI. I certainly
won't use a tablet that's inherently less functional than my phone is!


From: alexd on
Meanwhile, at the alt.internet.wireless Job Justification Hearings, John
Navas chose the tried and tested strategy of:

> Or find a coffee place with tilted tables. ;)

Argh don't say it out loud. They'll start appearing.

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