From: Jaimie Vandenbergh on
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:11:39 +0100, "smurf" <smurf(a)smurf.com> wrote:

>D.M. Procida wrote:
>> smurf <smurf(a)smurf.com> wrote:
>>
>>> After a few hours of fiddling around and failings it eventually
>>> reboots back into normality. The phone hasn't rebooted since,
>>> however using it as a phone is pretty much a pointless task.
>>>
>>> My phone is getting returned to Orange.
>>>
>>> Iphone without reception issue five star, with reception issue 1/2 a
>>> star.
>>
>> You obviously have a faulty device.
>>
>> There have been numerous reported problems, including some similar to
>> those you describe, but it's not the general case. You'd know if 1.5
>> million customers had problems like that.
>>
>> Daniele
>
>I suspect all the phones have the fault, it seems an inherent design fault.
>Maybe the size of the users hands, and the way they hold it means they dont
>experience the issue.

Your crashed on first use, and more thereafter - that ain't normal!

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From: D.M. Procida on
smurf <smurf(a)smurf.com> wrote:

> D.M. Procida wrote:
> > smurf <smurf(a)smurf.com> wrote:
> >
> >> After a few hours of fiddling around and failings it eventually
> >> reboots back into normality. The phone hasn't rebooted since,
> >> however using it as a phone is pretty much a pointless task.
> >>
> >> My phone is getting returned to Orange.
> >>
> >> Iphone without reception issue five star, with reception issue 1/2 a
> >> star.
> >
> > You obviously have a faulty device.
> >
> > There have been numerous reported problems, including some similar to
> > those you describe, but it's not the general case. You'd know if 1.5
> > million customers had problems like that.

> I suspect all the phones have the fault, it seems an inherent design fault.

Yours didn't even manage to boot up before it crashed. That's not a
general issue.

The reception problem is common, but certainly not universal.

> Maybe the size of the users hands, and the way they hold it means they dont
> experience the issue.
>
> With my phone the issue is extrodinary, you pick it up and hold and the bars
> count down, and then ultimately the signal is gone. One of my preferred ways
> of holding the phone for browsing, is in the left hand with the right hand
> doing the touching, well the 3g went then the gprs went.

It's a serious problem, no doubt about that, but it sounds more like a
manufacturing problem than a design issue.

Daniele
From: Ben Shimmin on
D.M. Procida <real-not-anti-spam-address(a)apple-juice.co.uk>:

[...]

> It's a serious problem, no doubt about that, but it sounds more like a
> manufacturing problem than a design issue.

It's serious enough that I'm going to wait a good bit before getting one,
despite the fact that my iPhone 3G is pretty battered and iOS 4 has been
a really rubbish update for me.

It's quite instructive to compare the volume of complaints about the
iPad's wifi problems with that of those about the iPhone 4's signal loss
issue. (I bought an iPad and have had zero wifi issues -- in fact,
its wifi is better than on my iPhone.)

There are also widespread reports of problems with the proximity
sensor during calls -- though I suspect this might be easily solved
with a software update.

This guy concludes it's a `fantastic device but a lousy phone', and
talks of having had `14 dropped calls in a little over two hours of
talktime':

<URL:http://fscked.co.uk/post/751030001/more-on-the-iphone-4-signal-issue>

I'm using my iPad for a lot of the things I used my iPhone for before,
at least around the house, so I actually want the iPhone to work well
as a phone; in terms of call quality and dropped calls or inability to
receive calls, my iPhone 3G is almost certainly the worst mobile phone
I've owned (worse than the original iPhone, too), so I'm not all that
eager to upgrade to one that seems to be even worse.

b.

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From: Jim on
On 2010-06-30, Ben Shimmin <bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote:
>
> It's quite instructive to compare the volume of complaints about the
> iPad's wifi problems with that of those about the iPhone 4's signal loss
> issue. (I bought an iPad and have had zero wifi issues -- in fact,
> its wifi is better than on my iPhone.)

I find the WiFi signal -indicator- fluctuates wildly (when the iPad itself
isn't being moved) but it doesn't seem to affect the -actual- signal
strength. In other words, it's a display issue.

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From: Sak Wathanasin on
On 30 June, 09:03, Ben Shimmin <b...(a)llamaselector.com> wrote:

> It's quite instructive to compare the volume of complaints about the
> iPad's wifi problems with that of those about the iPhone 4's signal loss
> issue.  (I bought an iPad and have had zero wifi issues -- in fact,
> its wifi is better than on my iPhone.)

What Wifi problem? Picked it up in my house straight away and it's 'N'
so streaming live TV via EyeTV is flawless on the iPad (vs the odd
stutter on the iPh-3G).

> This guy concludes it's a `fantastic device but a lousy phone', and

I'm in an open-plan office with 3 people with iPh-4s around me and
none of them have reception problems. YMMV - maybe it affects people
with sweaty hands more than others or something.
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