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From: Jon B on 21 Apr 2010 12:15
Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote:

> On 2010-04-21, Jon B <black.hole(a)jonbradbury.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Downsides is it can be a bit laggy as you set destination, but that's a
> >> >> 20sec annoyance, once on the road it's good. A car charger is essential
> >> >> though, GPS sucks battery life quickly.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks - it's only for occasional use here too. Downloading now.
> >>
> >> I don't have access to iTues here - how much is it?
> >>
> > �27 for Co-pilot vs �55 for Tom Tom.
>
> Many thanks.
>
> I don't _really_ have a need for a SatNav (and I'm on an 8GB 3G so space is
> an issue) but I must admit that's a tempting price.
>

Likewise, it takes up about 250mb with the full maps. Enabling the
'encode tracks to 128kbps on the iPhone' feature of iTunes 9.1 has
reduced the size of the music area by a good 30% and free'd up some GB
to fill.

As I'd said elsewhere before, I'm not a big sat nav fan, but, at the
price it is good to have, road speed & speed camera database is worth it
alone really for when you are out of area. Sometimes have it up running
with no destination just for those. On most roads it tells you the road
speed limit, and can also bring up a warning (with audible alert if
wanted) if you go a user set speed over the limit [1]. Also useful that
then it doesn't just warn you about camera, but confirms that are within
the speed limit (or not).

[1] I've disabled the audible alert, on the motorways you can find
yourself following the flow of trafic and just bobbing above & below the
limit so it keeps bonging every min or so. Possible a feature where a
10% rather than 5/10/15 etc mph makes more sense.
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From: SM on 21 Apr 2010 14:56
Ric <infobubble(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> On Apr 21, 2:32 pm, i...(a)that.sundog.co.uk (SM) wrote:
> > Any recommendations for iPhone 3GS sat nav apps? I'm looking at TomTom,
> > Navigon or CoPilot. I like the price of CoPilot.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Stuart
> > --
> > cut that out to reply
>
> I'd have said TomTom. I thought it was CoPilot but the experience of
> myself and a mate running it on separate 3Gs made me doubt that.
> Laggy as all hell, and a disaster in built up areas. I think TomTom's
> a bit lighter footprint.
> The GPS chip in the phone isn't particularly sensitive though.

I've gone for the CoPilot - I'll see how I get on. I've bought the
TomTom cradle which apparently boosts the reception with its own
satellite thing.

Stuart
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From: Jaimie Vandenbergh on 21 Apr 2010 19:13
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 19:56:43 +0100, info(a)that.sundog.co.uk (SM) wrote:

>Ric <infobubble(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 21, 2:32 pm, i...(a)that.sundog.co.uk (SM) wrote:
>> > Any recommendations for iPhone 3GS sat nav apps? I'm looking at TomTom,
>> > Navigon or CoPilot. I like the price of CoPilot.
>> >
>> > TIA
>> >
>> > Stuart
>> > --
>> > cut that out to reply
>>
>> I'd have said TomTom. I thought it was CoPilot but the experience of
>> myself and a mate running it on separate 3Gs made me doubt that.
>> Laggy as all hell, and a disaster in built up areas. I think TomTom's
>> a bit lighter footprint.
>> The GPS chip in the phone isn't particularly sensitive though.
>
>I've gone for the CoPilot - I'll see how I get on. I've bought the
>TomTom cradle which apparently boosts the reception with its own
>satellite thing.

Does that cradle's GPS work with non-TomTom software?

Cheers - Jaimie
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From: SM on 24 Apr 2010 05:00
Jon B <black.hole(a)jonbradbury.com> wrote:

> > > For the price of the TomTom I'd personally get a proper hardware unit
> > > off eBay. It's nice to have satnav on your phone as fallback, but I
> > > wouldn't rely on it as my main navigation device.

I take your point about the TomTom holder - seems expensive for what it
is. The package is at a sorting office since it arrive when I was away.

> > I would and have. It worked really well.

Just been to London and used CoPilot to get to the East End avoiding the
congestion charge by going SE via Vauxhall Bridge although that wasn't
exactly difficult. Later I followed the CoPilot route west to head for
M4 which was interesting although not the route I'd have taken.

A good point is that the route was quickly recalculated when I defied
the instructions.

The iPhone 3GS was sat in front of the gear stick of the car (no holder
when we left) so not ideally placed but the voice instructions were
generally good but seeing the turns on the map would help - natch. Not
sure whether being low in the car would affect the GPS signal.

> Likewise. A dedicated sat nav means
>
> a) an extra device wanting to use the cars only cig lighter [1]
> b) sat navs an extra security risk, so yet another thing to unhook &
> hide, pita at car parks. Doubly so in summer at petrol stations [2]
> c) It's likely to be at home because I didn't think I'd need it today

Same for me except on all points except for the open top bit.

> If you are the type that uses a sat nav day in day out, then yes I could
> see the point in a seperate sat nav. Think those of us who are looking
> at a �26 Co-pilot on the iPhone want something for odd days @ weekends
> and holiday trips where Co-pilot works fine.
>
> > > An older TomTom can be flashed with later models features
> > > (gpsunderground is the best site for this kind of thing) so you can
> > > add text-to-speech, IQ routing etc to older models. Co-pilot probably
> > > is worth the money, but on the 3G at least it's *sloooow* - as in you
> > > can miss junctions because it's so sluggish.

CoPilot seems OK on the 3GS with the only difficulty being an occasional
late call on a turn but as mentioned above the iPhone was sat somewhat
out of sight due to lack of a holder for the trip.

I'm pleased overall but since this is the first satnav I've used I've no
insight into the merits of it compared to other apps or hardware.

Stuart
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From: Jaimie Vandenbergh on 25 Apr 2010 10:48
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:49:01 +0100, info(a)that.sundog.co.uk (SM) wrote:

>Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 19:56:43 +0100, info(a)that.sundog.co.uk (SM) wrote:
>>
>> >Ric <infobubble(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Apr 21, 2:32 pm, i...(a)that.sundog.co.uk (SM) wrote:
>> >> > Any recommendations for iPhone 3GS sat nav apps? I'm looking at TomTom,
>> >> > Navigon or CoPilot. I like the price of CoPilot.
>> >> >
>> >> > TIA
>> >> >
>> >> > Stuart
>> >> > --
>> >> > cut that out to reply
>> >>
>> >> I'd have said TomTom. I thought it was CoPilot but the experience of
>> >> myself and a mate running it on separate 3Gs made me doubt that.
>> >> Laggy as all hell, and a disaster in built up areas. I think TomTom's
>> >> a bit lighter footprint.
>> >> The GPS chip in the phone isn't particularly sensitive though.
>> >
>> >I've gone for the CoPilot - I'll see how I get on. I've bought the
>> >TomTom cradle which apparently boosts the reception with its own
>> >satellite thing.
>>
>> Does that cradle's GPS work with non-TomTom software?
>
>I read it does on the internetnet, no less! Fingers crossed...

That would be very neat if it does - I hope for confirmation!

I wonder if the other GPS softwares have to be rewritten to take
account of it, or if the builtin Location Service handles it?

Cheers - Jaimie
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