From: Norbert_Paul on
Don't forget corporate officials: Excel and Powerpoint.

Tim Bradshaw wrote:
> On 2010-02-22 11:37:01 +0000, Pascal J. Bourguignon said:
>
>> Well, not if you believe the universe is simulation in a computer,
>> what's more, written in Lisp! :-)
>
> This depends on who you ask I think.
> Mathemeticians probably think it's written in some pure functional
> language.
> Theoretical physicists think it is written in Common Lisp (specifically
> not any other Lisp dialect).
> Expermintal physicists think it is FORTRAN (specificlly FORTRAN 66)
> Biologists think it is Perl using some statistics package
> Chemists COBOL
From: Tim Bradshaw on
On 2010-02-22 13:59:24 +0000, Norbert_Paul said:

> Don't forget corporate officials: Excel and Powerpoint.

Actually, of course, the secret truth is that the banking crisis is
largely due to people using Excel as a database.

--tim

(It terrifies me that this might be true)

From: Norbert_Paul on
I have even been told of an applicant who wasn't hired as
software developper because he refused to accept that Excel
is a DBMS.

However, what you said might be a secret, but it is not a truth.
Using real men DBMS would have increased their efficiency in
running us into an even deeper crisis.

Norbert

Tim Bradshaw wrote:
> On 2010-02-22 13:59:24 +0000, Norbert_Paul said:
>
>> Don't forget corporate officials: Excel and Powerpoint.
>
> Actually, of course, the secret truth is that the banking crisis is
> largely due to people using Excel as a database.
>
> --tim
>
> (It terrifies me that this might be true)
>

From: Ron Garret on
In article <hlts3c$1om$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
Tim Bradshaw <tfb(a)tfeb.org> wrote:

> On 2010-02-22 11:37:01 +0000, Pascal J. Bourguignon said:
>
> > Well, not if you believe the universe is simulation in a computer,
> > what's more, written in Lisp! :-)
>
> This depends on who you ask I think.
> Mathemeticians probably think it's written in some pure functional language.
> Theoretical physicists think it is written in Common Lisp (specifically
> not any other Lisp dialect).
> Expermintal physicists think it is FORTRAN (specificlly FORTRAN 66)
> Biologists think it is Perl using some statistics package
> Chemists COBOL
>
> --tim

The universe is written in QLisp (quantum Lisp), the fundamental
construct of which is QLambda, which binds quantum wave functions and
performs unitary transformations on them. QCONS is also known as
entanglement. QCAR and QCDR are EPR "measurements".

I have the manual around here somewhere if anyone is interested.

;-)

rg
From: Ron Garret on
In article <hlu3vo$7tm$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
Tim Bradshaw <tfb(a)tfeb.org> wrote:

> On 2010-02-22 13:59:24 +0000, Norbert_Paul said:
>
> > Don't forget corporate officials: Excel and Powerpoint.
>
> Actually, of course, the secret truth is that the banking crisis is
> largely due to people using Excel as a database.
>
> --tim
>
> (It terrifies me that this might be true)

I have bad news for you. I once worked as a consultant for someone who
is a serious dude in the financial world. Very famous. Manages
billions of dollars. His primary model was an Excel spreadsheet. Not
only that, but it was the most horrible mess that you can imagine, an
unspeakable monstrosity. Dozens of separate sheets, many tens of
thousands of cells, many of which led off into dead ends that never
affected the final result. And in the middle of it all were a set of
arbitrary fudge factors that he tweaked according to his intuition, so
that the end result was basically just a wild guess.

I really think that the vast majority of the people on Wall Street
really are completely clueless. The only question in my mind is whether
they are *all* completely clueless, or if at the core there are a few
guys who actually understand what's going on and keep things humming
along.

rg