job [Solaris]

From: Richard B. Gilbert on 22 Apr 2010 15:40

Michael Vilain wrote:
> In article <O5KdnUL6Hc8uWlLWnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>,
> "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Cydrome Leader wrote:
>>> Richard B. Gilbert <rgilbert88(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Michael Laajanen wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
>>>>>> banni wrote:
>>>>>>> what we need to get unix solaris system admin job
>>>>>> 1. Experience!
>>>>>> 2. To get a job in an English speaking country or organization, better
>>>>>> English. It is clear from what you wrote that, if your native
>>>>>> language is English, you are poorly educated! I am assuming that you
>>>>>> are well educated and that English is, for you, a second language.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not criticizing! Your English is far better than my Spanish,
>>>>>> German, Japanese, or Turkish! I can order a beer in all four of those
>>>>>> languages and that is the extent of my linguistic abilities!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can gain some of the necessary experience by obtaining a copy of
>>>>>> Solaris, SPARC, X86, or both and installing Solaris. Add some users.
>>>>>> Limit the amount of disk space available to the users. Install some
>>>>>> patches. Create a print queue and make it work.
>>>>> Even I can do that, and I am only a part time sysadm far from thinking
>>>>> of applying for any sysadm job :)
>>>>>
>>>>> I think if one ask what it takes to get a specific job then that person
>>>>> does not have it!
>>>>>
>>>> Perhaps you're right. If so, Solaris or any other O/S can be learned.
>>>>
>>>> I took a five day course in Solaris System Administration, paid for by
>>>> my employer.
>>>>
>>>> The slower and cheaper method is to purchase a used Sun Workstation and
>>>> a copy of Solaris. An Ultra 10 workstation is quite affordable. Or, if
>>>> you want to learn the X86 version, find as used PC. Install the O/S.
>>>> Configure networking. Add some user accounts. Install a printer and
>>>> create a print queue. Print something. Figure out how to back up your
>>>> disk and do it! Download copies of the Doc Set. RTFM
>>>>
>>>> If you can do all that, you've got the basics.
>>> It still takes years and years plus the basics to be able to do more good
>>> than harm.
>> Can you back up that statement with some facts and examples?
>>
>> I started with several years experience with using O/S 360. I got
>> "Introduction to Unix" (five days) and "Unix System Administration"
>> (five days). The company bought the system, the vendor installed it and
>> I was off and running. This was back in the days when most people had
>> never *seen* a computer!
>
> I had 15 years as a PDP-11 and VMS systems programmer and stumbled into
> system management. It didn't take very long to shift to Solaris
> sysadmin (1 week class plus 1 week actual hands on). Most programmers
> these days have no clue about what it takes to plan and manage more than
> the machine on their desk. Nor do they usually care. "I have root. I
> don't care about other systems, except maybe the printer outside my
> cube." A good admin keeps a global view of the entire company's major
> systems, how they're backed up and restored, what's running on them, and
> who's using them. You can't really learn those bits by managing a
> Solaris desktop.
>

I think that "a global view of the entire company's major systems is a
little bit ambitions. I knew their names and IP addresses but had no
responsibility for any systems not located at my site. For most of them
I didn't even have a login! I couldn't have told you what most of those
systems did.

ISTR that the company had seven different hardware platforms and was
running nine or ten different operating systems. The parent company was
NEBS, since acquired by Deluxe. NEBS had grown by acquisition. The
subsidiary that I worked for was, itself, an amalgam of twenty-four
different companies at the time it was acquired by NEBS.

The whole mess was acquired by Deluxe (the check printing Deluxe). I
think that Deluxe may have since been acquired or merged. . . .
Deluxe had it's own systems, software. . . . ISTR that Deluxe used
Netware for everything. We, of course, had just recently purged all but
one of our Netware systems. That one had been around for a LONG time
and was tied into *everything*. Every time we tried to shut it down it
broke something, somewhere. . . . Needless to say, there was NO
documentation for this system. . . .

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