From: Sjouke Burry on
hr(bob) hofmann(a)att.net wrote:
> On Mar 6, 8:17 am, klem kedidelhopper <captainvideo462...(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> A customer lives in an apartment house on the 17th floor. He wants to
>> use an old Hallicrafters AM and SW radio. He cannot put up a long wire
>> antenna in the conventional way, however he wants to "weave" a sort of
>> antenna outside on his terrace, sort of like a web, with insulators to
>> hold the wire in every bend off ground. In this way he hopes to
>> achieve the length of a long wire antenna in a confined space. Will
>> this scheme work? The other option would be to hang a 2 X 4 off the
>> edge of the terrace and drop a wire down with an insulator on it and
>> hope that he can secure it to a neighbors terrace several floors
>> below. Anyone have any thought on this problem. Thanks, Lenny
>
> What is the railing on the deck, wood or metal? He needs to keep the
> wire aeay from any metal.

Or use the railing as antenna.

Also, when sort on space, a loop antenna might be usefull.
From: Arfa Daily on

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hmtoke$5hi$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
> In a very broad sense, the customer is correct. A 10m wire forms a 20m
> half-wave antenna, pretty much regardless of how it's oriented or it
> snakes
> around.
>
> There are books on compact and hidden antennas you might want to look at.
>
> It's not unlike a wing. Almost any surface flat on the bottom and curved
> on
> the top can produce lift.
>
>

So how come a symmetrical wing, such as might be found on a stunt plane,
still flies, and most asymmetric wings fly quite happily upside down ? :-)

Arfa


From: Phil Allison on

"Arfa Daily"

>> It's not unlike a wing. Almost any surface flat on the bottom and curved
>> on the top can produce lift.
>>
>
> So how come a symmetrical wing, such as might be found on a stunt plane,
> still flies, and most asymmetric wings fly quite happily upside down ?
> :-)
>


** I ask people who *think* they know how a plane flys that same Q.

Stumps them all the time.

Goes to show how simple explanations are often highly flawed.



...... Phil





From: William Sommerwerck on
>> It's not unlike a wing. Almost any surface flat on the
>> bottom and curved on the top can produce lift.

> So how come a symmetrical wing, such as might be found
> on a stunt plane, still flies, and most asymmetric wings fly
> quite happily upside down ? :-)

I don't know. But that wasn't the point I was making.


From: tnom on
On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 06:17:39 -0800 (PST), klem kedidelhopper
<captainvideo462009(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>A customer lives in an apartment house on the 17th floor. He wants to
>use an old Hallicrafters AM and SW radio. He cannot put up a long wire
>antenna in the conventional way, however he wants to "weave" a sort of
>antenna outside on his terrace, sort of like a web, with insulators to
>hold the wire in every bend off ground. In this way he hopes to
>achieve the length of a long wire antenna in a confined space. Will
>this scheme work? The other option would be to hang a 2 X 4 off the
>edge of the terrace and drop a wire down with an insulator on it and
>hope that he can secure it to a neighbors terrace several floors
>below. Anyone have any thought on this problem. Thanks, Lenny

With just a randomly oriented long wire you will get unpredictable
results.

A better idea would be to get a PVC form of three to six inches and
helically wind the wire. The exact length won't matter because you
do not have a specific frequency in mind. Generally the more wire the
better. Mount it vertically or if you like move it around for the best
reception.