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From: Martin Brown on 7 Apr 2010 12:11 Savageduck wrote: > On 2010-04-07 07:53:14 -0700, Shannon Tucker > <shannon.m.tucker(a)gmail.com> said: > >> On Apr 7, 1:37 am, Peter Huebner <no....(a)this.address> wrote: >>> In article <5e6b0577-8afd-4914-91b6-7c4ed68374a9 >>> @v20g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>, shannon.m.tuc...(a)gmail.com says... >>> >>>> I primarily like to shoot candid and informal portraits and then I do >>>> a lot of hiking and fishing. I'm looking for a camera that isn't as >>>> heavy or as big as a DSLR . >>> >>> Big - yes. Heavy - not. My 450d with the 'kit quality' 55-250mm lens >>> feels lighter than the powershot sx20is, although it's a bit bulkier. >>> It's also so much faster in operation that I do much prefer it for >>> candid portraits & street photography. >>> >>> The higher quality lenses for the dslr are indeed much heavier. >>> >>> -P. >> >> My problem with my D70 is that when trying to take candids in the >> context of barbecues, parties and family life, is that the camera >> intimidates people and gets in the way of what I want to capture? If You will probably find a P&S small enough to pocket like the Canon Ixus more useful for candid shots in fairly good light. Its built in flash isn't too bad either, but being so close to the lens you get artefacts if there is any dust in the air. P&S do have some shutter lag but the better ones are just about acceptable now. >> people become aware of a point&shoot, it doesn't change their behavior >> as much and pics are more natural, IMHO. The frustration I have with >> most P&S's is that the shutter lags are measured in days rather than >> microseconds. >> >> Shannon > > ...but if your friends & family become so familiarized to you with a > camera in hand, be it DSLR or P&S, and the work you produce, you will > just become part of the background noise. Sort of, "Oh! It's just > Shannon" and let you do what you do at those events. Although that is partly true a big DSLR between you and a shy or nervous subject does nothing to put them at ease. By comparison a camera so small you can palm it and use when their attention is distracted is way more effective. Or a lens that keeps you well away. > > This is one of the reasons many photographers in the situation you > describe, will use a fast long lens, such as as a 70-200mm f/2.8 to > capture more candid shots. However then you will be spending much more > on the lens than the D70 & G11 cost combined. > > I would carry both cameras and use whichever is right for the moment, > and if you are looking for candid shots, your subjects shouldn't even be > aware the shot had been taken, whether you were using a DSLR or a P&S. A fair point although if the flash fires they tend to notice. Regards, Martin Brown
From: Neil Harrington on 7 Apr 2010 13:55 Shannon Tucker wrote: > > My problem with my D70 is that when trying to take candids in the > context of barbecues, parties and family life, is that the camera > intimidates people and gets in the way of what I want to capture? If > people become aware of a point&shoot, it doesn't change their behavior > as much and pics are more natural, IMHO. The frustration I have with > most P&S's is that the shutter lags are measured in days rather than > microseconds. Do you prefocus? With my little Coolpixes I don't find any noticeable shutter lag as long as I half-press the shutter release first and give the camera a little time to get through its focus and exposure decisions before finishing the press to take the shot. I suppose the big glass "eye" of a DSLR is more likely to intimidate people, especially if they're close to the camera and looking into it. But perhaps much depends also on how comfortable they are with you (and maybe vice versa). I have taken a lot of shots of family, friends and relatives with my D80, often while sitting at the same table with them, and they have never seemed intimidated (my sister strongly objects to having her picture taken when she doesn't have lipstick on, but this is regardless of camera type). But it may be that these people are used to seeing me with a camera and are just desensitized to the whole thing. In fact on one occasion when I HADN'T been taking pictures my brother-in-law asked, "What, no camera?" I'm wondering if YOUR not wanting to intimidate THEM may not be communicated to them and making them a bit uneasy, if you see what I mean. If you are relaxed and comfortable with yourself doing this, I think others are likely to be more comfortable with your doing it too.
From: Chris Malcolm on 7 Apr 2010 14:09 Shannon Tucker <shannon.m.tucker(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 7, 1:37?am, Peter Huebner <no....(a)this.address> wrote: >> In article <5e6b0577-8afd-4914-91b6-7c4ed68374a9 >> @v20g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>, shannon.m.tuc...(a)gmail.com says... >> > I primarily like to shoot candid and informal portraits and then I do >> > a lot of hiking and fishing. ?I'm looking for a camera that isn't as >> > heavy or as big as a DSLR . >> >> Big - yes. Heavy - not. My 450d with the 'kit quality' 55-250mm lens >> feels lighter than the powershot sx20is, although it's a bit bulkier. >> It's also so much faster in operation that I do much prefer it for >> candid portraits & street photography. >> >> The higher quality lenses for the dslr are indeed much heavier. >> >> -P. > My problem with my D70 is that when trying to take candids in the > context of barbecues, parties and family life, is that the camera > intimidates people and gets in the way of what I want to capture? If > people become aware of a point&shoot, it doesn't change their behavior > as much and pics are more natural, IMHO. The frustration I have with > most P&S's is that the shutter lags are measured in days rather than > microseconds. Get one where you can turn off autofocus and use manual focus -- a few seconds preparation and instantaneous shutter response. -- Chris Malcolm
From: Chris Malcolm on 7 Apr 2010 14:13 tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 07:53:14 -0700 (PDT), Shannon Tucker > <shannon.m.tucker(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>On Apr 7, 1:37am, Peter Huebner <no....(a)this.address> wrote: >>> In article <5e6b0577-8afd-4914-91b6-7c4ed68374a9 >>> @v20g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>, shannon.m.tuc...(a)gmail.com says... >>> >>> >>> >>> > I primarily like to shoot candid and informal portraits and then I do >>> > a lot of hiking and fishing. I'm looking for a camera that isn't as >>> > heavy or as big as a DSLR . >>> >>> Big - yes. Heavy - not. My 450d with the 'kit quality' 55-250mm lens >>> feels lighter than the powershot sx20is, although it's a bit bulkier. >>> It's also so much faster in operation that I do much prefer it for >>> candid portraits & street photography. >>> >>> The higher quality lenses for the dslr are indeed much heavier. >>> >>> -P. >> >>My problem with my D70 is that when trying to take candids in the >>context of barbecues, parties and family life, is that the camera >>intimidates people and gets in the way of what I want to capture? If >>people become aware of a point&shoot, it doesn't change their behavior >>as much and pics are more natural, IMHO. The frustration I have with >>most P&S's is that the shutter lags are measured in days rather than >>microseconds. > The camera can only intimidate if the subjects are aware of the > camera. Where you stand and how you move around in the group plays a > large part in that. If you station yourself on the periphery of the > action and remain there until your subjects come into view, you will > be less noticed. Having the patience to wait until people are no > longer paying attention to you will make all the difference. > A common work-around to the "I'm being photographed" problem is to > ostensibly point the camera to someone other than your subject and > then swing it around at the last second to your primary subject. Or have the camera at waist level, using a tiltable live view. Or have the camera on a tripod or table pointing at a view you have set up. You stand or sit yards away with a radio shutter release in your pocket. -- Chris Malcolm
From: Savageduck on 7 Apr 2010 14:45
On 2010-04-07 11:09:43 -0700, Chris Malcolm <cam(a)holyrood.ed.ac.uk> said: > Shannon Tucker <shannon.m.tucker(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Apr 7, 1:37?am, Peter Huebner <no....(a)this.address> wrote: >>> In article <5e6b0577-8afd-4914-91b6-7c4ed68374a9 >>> @v20g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>, shannon.m.tuc...(a)gmail.com says... > >>>> I primarily like to shoot candid and informal portraits and then I do >>>> a lot of hiking and fishing. ?I'm looking for a camera that isn't as >>>> heavy or as big as a DSLR . >>> >>> Big - yes. Heavy - not. My 450d with the 'kit quality' 55-250mm lens >>> feels lighter than the powershot sx20is, although it's a bit bulkier. >>> It's also so much faster in operation that I do much prefer it for >>> candid portraits & street photography. >>> >>> The higher quality lenses for the dslr are indeed much heavier. >>> >>> -P. > >> My problem with my D70 is that when trying to take candids in the >> context of barbecues, parties and family life, is that the camera >> intimidates people and gets in the way of what I want to capture? If >> people become aware of a point&shoot, it doesn't change their behavior >> as much and pics are more natural, IMHO. The frustration I have with >> most P&S's is that the shutter lags are measured in days rather than >> microseconds. > > Get one where you can turn off autofocus and use manual focus -- > a few seconds preparation and instantaneous shutter response. BTW the G11 has a "quick shot" mode which turns the LCD EVF off, so all framing has to be made through the OVF. All exposure data is shown on the LCD in that mode, and for some reason it is quicker, with very little delay. -- Regards, Savageduck |