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From: Mark Allums on 11 Jun 2010 21:00
On 6/11/2010 7:54 PM, Mark Allums wrote:
> On 6/11/2010 7:04 PM, Long Wind wrote:
>> My reason for using old s/w doesn't matter
>>
>> There are plenty of reason for running old s/w
>> that's why archive.debian.org exists
>> not only to offer sarge
>> but potato and rex!


but a random check of a
> few sites revealed that every person required a different solution, so I
> must fall back on general suggestions.
>
> I don't suppose you are having a difficulty with your BIOS? On older
> computers, the AGP aperture had to be set correctly. Also: under Sarge,
> is the agpgart driver set up properly?


Sorry, I meant under Etch, not Sarge.

MAA


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From: Long Wind on 11 Jun 2010 21:20
Thank Mark Allums !

I use kernel 2.4 because of producer, a video capturing application
video capturing is hard to learn and config
As I'm happy with the old producer
I'm unwilling to spend more energy on learning/upgrading

My machine is HP vl420 running P4
with 128Mx3 memory




On 6/11/10, Mark Allums <mark(a)allums.com> wrote:
> On 6/11/2010 7:04 PM, Long Wind wrote:
>
>
> Yes. We don't need to know specific reasons. However, just knowing, as an
> example, that you only have 32M of memory, would tell us that a suggestion
> to only run 2.6 kernels would not be helpful and to skip that line of
> thinking.
>
> I personally have not run a 2.4 kernel since 2.6 was released, so I cannot
> help there (my memories are fading). I did some Googling and found that you
> are not alone in having problems, but a random check of a few sites revealed
> that every person required a different solution, so I must fall back on
> general suggestions.
>
> I don't suppose you are having a difficulty with your BIOS? On older
> computers, the AGP aperture had to be set correctly. Also: under Sarge, is
> the agpgart driver set up properly?
>
> Sometimes a scrambled screen is a hardware problem, and sometimes it is a
> memory problem.
>
> If all else fails, I used to have some success when compiling the kernel
> myself, rather than using a "stock" kernel. This is a "blue sky"
> suggestion, it may not be helpful.
>
> Did you mean Etch with 2.4 kernel is not working, but it works in Sarge,
> and Etch with 2.6 works? Thus it is the combination that doesn't work?
> Then it is a function of of X under 2.4? Have you looked in X-related
> forums and lists? Have you looked in ATI-related lists and forums? Have you
> tried searching for similar issues under (*gasp*) other Linux distributions?
> Have you looked in HP forums?
>
>
>
> Good Luck!
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Mark Allums on 11 Jun 2010 21:50
On 6/11/2010 8:18 PM, Long Wind wrote:
> Thank Mark Allums !
>
> I use kernel 2.4 because of producer, a video capturing application
> video capturing is hard to learn and config
> As I'm happy with the old producer
> I'm unwilling to spend more energy on learning/upgrading
>
> My machine is HP vl420 running P4
> with 128Mx3 memory


So you have 384M? That is small by today's standards, but should be
enough to do what you want.

The ATI rage pro is a PCI card, right?

What does your /etc/X11/XF86Config have in it? (paste or attach)





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From: Ron Johnson on 11 Jun 2010 21:50
On 06/11/2010 08:18 PM, Long Wind wrote:
> Thank Mark Allums !
>
> I use kernel 2.4 because of producer, a video capturing application
> video capturing is hard to learn and config

Are you implying that there's some specialized PCI card for which
there's no known 2.6 driver?

> As I'm happy with the old producer
> I'm unwilling to spend more energy on learning/upgrading
>
> My machine is HP vl420 running P4
> with 128Mx3 memory
>
>


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From: Long Wind on 11 Jun 2010 23:40
the ati card is AGP

let me repeat my problem clearly

the card/driver work in etch with kernel 2.6
they work in sarge with kernel 2.4
but they don't work in etch with kernel 2.4
though x server does not change!


below is /etc/X11/xorg.conf

# /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
# values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page.
# (Type "man /etc/X11/xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
#
# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
# package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following command:
# sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg

Section "Files"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
# path to defoma fonts
FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load "i2c"
Load "bitmap"
Load "ddc"
Load "dri"
Load "extmod"
Load "freetype"
Load "glx"
Load "int10"
Load "vbe"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
Driver "kbd"
Option "CoreKeyboard"
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Configured Mouse"
Driver "mouse"
Option "CorePointer"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "Generic Video Card"
# Driver "vesa"
Driver "ati"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Generic Monitor"
Option "DPMS"
HorizSync 46.875
VertRefresh 75
# HorizSync 28-40
# VertRefresh 43-60
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Default Screen"
Device "Generic Video Card"
Monitor "Generic Monitor"
DefaultDepth 16
SubSection "Display"
Depth 1
Modes "800x600"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 4
Modes "800x600"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 8
Modes "800x600"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 15
Modes "800x600"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "800x600"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "800x600"
EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Default Layout"
Screen "Default Screen"
InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"
InputDevice "Configured Mouse"
EndSection

Section "DRI"
Mode 0666
EndSection


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