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From: Aahz on 7 Feb 2010 01:42
In article <0c535d15-967d-4909-a9bb-b5970818199f(a)l24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Xah Lee <xahlee(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>This is a short complaint on admin abuse on #python irc channel on
>freenode.net.

Let's see, you are complaining about getting banned from #python by
CROSS-POSTING between c.l.py and comp.lang.lisp. From my POV, that's
grounds for extending the IRC ban permanently.
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From: Steve Holden on 7 Feb 2010 07:28
Aahz wrote:
> In article <0c535d15-967d-4909-a9bb-b5970818199f(a)l24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> Xah Lee <xahlee(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> This is a short complaint on admin abuse on #python irc channel on
>> freenode.net.
>
> Let's see, you are complaining about getting banned from #python by
> CROSS-POSTING between c.l.py and comp.lang.lisp. From my POV, that's
> grounds for extending the IRC ban permanently.

It certainly doesn't inspire any confidence that Xah's next trip to
#python is likely to last much longer than the last.

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Steve
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From: Steve Holden on 7 Feb 2010 08:35
Shashwat Anand wrote:
> LOL
> pow(funny, sys.maxint)
>
Yes, funny, but it overlooks the point that Xah is a nuisance to
multiple communities, not just to ours, and quite often concurrently.

I'm all in favor of tolerance, but I'd like to see some evidence that
rehabilitation is practical before the community has to tolerate too
much of that kind of nonsense.

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Steve
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From: Daniel Fetchinson on 7 Feb 2010 09:11
>> LOL
>> pow(funny, sys.maxint)
>>
> Yes, funny, but it overlooks the point that Xah is a nuisance to
> multiple communities, not just to ours, and quite often concurrently.

I don't think we need to worry about other communities or every
internet related problem. The only thing we need to make sure is that
c.l.p or the python community in general is friendly, tolerant,
healthy and perhaps shows a good example to other communities on how
to run a community, including how to handle problematic behavior.

> I'm all in favor of tolerance, but I'd like to see some evidence that
> rehabilitation is practical before the community has to tolerate too
> much of that kind of nonsense.

I don't think you get my point. Rehabilitation or cure is not the goal
here. A village clown or court clown never changed, never got cured,
never got reintroduced into the community as a 'normal' person. A
village clown is tolerated in the purest form of the word 'tolerance'
by nor wishing him to change. Let him be the clown, let everybody
accept him as such, including all the annoyance and weird behavior.
Hoping for someone to change is the same as assigning him to a
correctional facility.

I'd say let's designate a post Python Community Jester, or PCJ for
short, let's name Xah Lee the PCJ and make it clear that he can engage
in his activities on c.l.p and #python as he wishes without
retribution and fear, and nobody should really bother him. The only
people should do who don't like him is ignoring him. What is very
important is that there can be only one PCJ and everybody else with
objectionable behavior will be banned, blacklisted, etc. with the full
force of available methods.

This would I think send a very clear message to all other online
communities that the Python Community is able to think outside the
box, and is not afraid of taking unusual steps to maintain a healthy
community and is even able to incorporate revolutionary new tactics to
keep the community friendly and tolerant.

Cheers,
Daniel


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From: Daniel Fetchinson on 7 Feb 2010 09:14
>>> LOL
>>> pow(funny, sys.maxint)
>>>
>> Yes, funny, but it overlooks the point that Xah is a nuisance to
>> multiple communities, not just to ours, and quite often concurrently.
>
> I don't think we need to worry about other communities or every
> internet related problem. The only thing we need to make sure is that
> c.l.p or the python community in general is friendly, tolerant,
> healthy and perhaps shows a good example to other communities on how
> to run a community, including how to handle problematic behavior.
>
>> I'm all in favor of tolerance, but I'd like to see some evidence that
>> rehabilitation is practical before the community has to tolerate too
>> much of that kind of nonsense.
>
> I don't think you get my point. Rehabilitation or cure is not the goal
> here. A village clown or court clown never changed, never got cured,
> never got reintroduced into the community as a 'normal' person. A
> village clown is tolerated in the purest form of the word 'tolerance'
> by nor wishing him to change. Let him be the clown, let everybody
> accept him as such, including all the annoyance and weird behavior.
> Hoping for someone to change is the same as assigning him to a
> correctional facility.
>
> I'd say let's designate a post Python Community Jester, or PCJ for
> short, let's name Xah Lee the PCJ and make it clear that he can engage
> in his activities on c.l.p and #python as he wishes without
> retribution and fear, and nobody should really bother him. The only
> people should do who don't like him is ignoring him. What is very
> important is that there can be only one PCJ and everybody else with
> objectionable behavior will be banned, blacklisted, etc. with the full
> force of available methods.
>
> This would I think send a very clear message to all other online
> communities that the Python Community is able to think outside the
> box, and is not afraid of taking unusual steps to maintain a healthy
> community and is even able to incorporate revolutionary new tactics to
> keep the community friendly and tolerant.

One more thing: if every online community (or only programming
related newsgroup) would designate an XY Community Jester I believe
the relatively few number of serial trolls would all find their places
somewhere eventually. This approach would actually work and solve a
serious problem, as opposed to building more jails and more
correctional facilities.

Cheers,
Daniel



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