From: paul on
On Mar 7, 1:53 am, Robby Workman <newsgro...(a)rlworkman.net> wrote:
> On 2010-03-06, paul <paullitw...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 3, 6:08 am, paul <paullitw...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Mar 2, 7:50 pm, Robby Workman <newsgro...(a)rlworkman.net> wrote:
>
> >> > On 2010-03-03, paul <paullitw...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > I need radeon kms to use my x1900GT video card with dri. Once xf86-
> >> > > video-ati-0.6.13 is released which is said to be imminent on phoronix,
> >> > > can we get radeon kms support? As of 2.6.33 kernel support for radeon
> >> > > kms is promoted out of experimental status.
>
> >> > It's present in the 2.6.33 kernel in -current now, but it's not
> >> > enabled by default.
>
> >> > -RW
>
> >> If it is not enabled by default, I have to recompile the kernel,
> >> mesa , libdrm, and xf86-video-ati to use it, do I not? . I have
> >> actually done this with a rc kernel, but I would like to see my
> >> hardware supported "out of the box". Fedora 12 works "out of the box",
> >> Ubuntu 10.04 alpha3 works "out of the box", and archlinux "testing"
> >> works "out of the box".
> >> Fedora and Ubuntu are very difficult for me to work with because they
> >> are so complex, being crowded with innovations that make them fit for
> >> either a completely novice user or a developer, but no one in between.
> >> I am more comfortable with Slackware which has conventions which
> >> someone with my intermediate level of knowledge can make sense of and
> >> work with. Archlinux is also usable, but is a strictly rolling release
> >> and overtime they are pretty sure to drop support for my card during
> >> their evolution.
>
> > I recompiled 2.6.33 with radeon kms enabled and used src2pkg & souce
> > tarball to get a xf86-video-ati-0.6.12.191 package. Card works good
> > now. However I still think 2.6.33 should come packaged with radeon kms
> > enable and xf86-video-ati-0.6.12.191 should be in extra.
>
> Enabling radeon kms by default would be a horrible idea, as
> many cards would not work at all.  In fact, I wouldn't expect
> us to enable it by default until the userspace driver requires
> it (just like we did for the intel driver).  
>
> You don't need to recompile a kernel at all to enable it.
> Here's what was in 13.0's CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT file:
>
>   If you want to try the new kernel mode setting (KMS), you don't have to
>     build a custom kernel; add this to your kernel's lilo stanza:
>       append = "i915.modeset=1"
>
> Obviously that's not completely accurate now, since *i915* modesetting
> is enabled by default.  However, I am quite certain that you can work
> out how to modify that line :-)
>
> Putting the newer version of the ati driver in /extra may very
> well be an option, but I'd like to wait until the xorg guys
> decide that it's "stable" first -- in other words, I don't want
> to put a beta/rc driver in there unless we don't have any other
> option.
>
> -RW

I tried adding "options radeon modeset=1" to a file in modprobe.d
before I recompiled. That didn't work. I will try your suggestion.
From: paul on
On Mar 7, 1:53 am, Robby Workman <newsgro...(a)rlworkman.net> wrote:
> On 2010-03-06, paul <paullitw...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 3, 6:08 am, paul <paullitw...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Mar 2, 7:50 pm, Robby Workman <newsgro...(a)rlworkman.net> wrote:
>
> >> > On 2010-03-03, paul <paullitw...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > I need radeon kms to use my x1900GT video card with dri. Once xf86-
> >> > > video-ati-0.6.13 is released which is said to be imminent on phoronix,
> >> > > can we get radeon kms support? As of 2.6.33 kernel support for radeon
> >> > > kms is promoted out of experimental status.
>
> >> > It's present in the 2.6.33 kernel in -current now, but it's not
> >> > enabled by default.
>
> >> > -RW
>
> >> If it is not enabled by default, I have to recompile the kernel,
> >> mesa , libdrm, and xf86-video-ati to use it, do I not? . I have
> >> actually done this with a rc kernel, but I would like to see my
> >> hardware supported "out of the box". Fedora 12 works "out of the box",
> >> Ubuntu 10.04 alpha3 works "out of the box", and archlinux "testing"
> >> works "out of the box".
> >> Fedora and Ubuntu are very difficult for me to work with because they
> >> are so complex, being crowded with innovations that make them fit for
> >> either a completely novice user or a developer, but no one in between.
> >> I am more comfortable with Slackware which has conventions which
> >> someone with my intermediate level of knowledge can make sense of and
> >> work with. Archlinux is also usable, but is a strictly rolling release
> >> and overtime they are pretty sure to drop support for my card during
> >> their evolution.
>
> > I recompiled 2.6.33 with radeon kms enabled and used src2pkg & souce
> > tarball to get a xf86-video-ati-0.6.12.191 package. Card works good
> > now. However I still think 2.6.33 should come packaged with radeon kms
> > enable and xf86-video-ati-0.6.12.191 should be in extra.
>
> Enabling radeon kms by default would be a horrible idea, as
> many cards would not work at all.  In fact, I wouldn't expect
> us to enable it by default until the userspace driver requires
> it (just like we did for the intel driver).  
>
> You don't need to recompile a kernel at all to enable it.
> Here's what was in 13.0's CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT file:
>
>   If you want to try the new kernel mode setting (KMS), you don't have to
>     build a custom kernel; add this to your kernel's lilo stanza:
>       append = "i915.modeset=1"
>
> Obviously that's not completely accurate now, since *i915* modesetting
> is enabled by default.  However, I am quite certain that you can work
> out how to modify that line :-)
>
> Putting the newer version of the ati driver in /extra may very
> well be an option, but I'd like to wait until the xorg guys
> decide that it's "stable" first -- in other words, I don't want
> to put a beta/rc driver in there unless we don't have any other
> option.
>
> -RW

Kudos, I tried your suggestion, and it worked.
From: paul on
On Mar 10, 9:58 pm, paul <paullitw...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 7, 1:53 am, Robby Workman <newsgro...(a)rlworkman.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 2010-03-06, paul <paullitw...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 3, 6:08 am, paul <paullitw...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Mar 2, 7:50 pm, Robby Workman <newsgro...(a)rlworkman.net> wrote:
>
> > >> > On 2010-03-03, paul <paullitw...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > I need radeon kms to use my x1900GT video card with dri. Once xf86-
> > >> > > video-ati-0.6.13 is released which is said to be imminent on phoronix,
> > >> > > can we get radeon kms support? As of 2.6.33 kernel support for radeon
> > >> > > kms is promoted out of experimental status.
>
> > >> > It's present in the 2.6.33 kernel in -current now, but it's not
> > >> > enabled by default.
>
> > >> > -RW
>
> > >> If it is not enabled by default, I have to recompile the kernel,
> > >> mesa , libdrm, and xf86-video-ati to use it, do I not? . I have
> > >> actually done this with a rc kernel, but I would like to see my
> > >> hardware supported "out of the box". Fedora 12 works "out of the box",
> > >> Ubuntu 10.04 alpha3 works "out of the box", and archlinux "testing"
> > >> works "out of the box".
> > >> Fedora and Ubuntu are very difficult for me to work with because they
> > >> are so complex, being crowded with innovations that make them fit for
> > >> either a completely novice user or a developer, but no one in between.
> > >> I am more comfortable with Slackware which has conventions which
> > >> someone with my intermediate level of knowledge can make sense of and
> > >> work with. Archlinux is also usable, but is a strictly rolling release
> > >> and overtime they are pretty sure to drop support for my card during
> > >> their evolution.
>
> > > I recompiled 2.6.33 with radeon kms enabled and used src2pkg & souce
> > > tarball to get a xf86-video-ati-0.6.12.191 package. Card works good
> > > now. However I still think 2.6.33 should come packaged with radeon kms
> > > enable and xf86-video-ati-0.6.12.191 should be in extra.
>
> > Enabling radeon kms by default would be a horrible idea, as
> > many cards would not work at all.  In fact, I wouldn't expect
> > us to enable it by default until the userspace driver requires
> > it (just like we did for the intel driver).  
>
> > You don't need to recompile a kernel at all to enable it.
> > Here's what was in 13.0's CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT file:
>
> >   If you want to try the new kernel mode setting (KMS), you don't have to
> >     build a custom kernel; add this to your kernel's lilo stanza:
> >       append = "i915.modeset=1"
>
> > Obviously that's not completely accurate now, since *i915* modesetting
> > is enabled by default.  However, I am quite certain that you can work
> > out how to modify that line :-)
>
> > Putting the newer version of the ati driver in /extra may very
> > well be an option, but I'd like to wait until the xorg guys
> > decide that it's "stable" first -- in other words, I don't want
> > to put a beta/rc driver in there unless we don't have any other
> > option.
>
> > -RW
>
> Kudos, I tried your suggestion, and it worked.

I must contradict my last statement. I realized I had replaced the
stock slackware modules with my custom ones. So to do a fair test, I
deleted my modules and reinstalled stock slackware and kms failed even
with append = "radeon.modset=1" in my lilo. So custom compile is
needed to make radeon kms work. The stock kernel config does not seem
to allow radeon kms on my box.
From: paul on
On Mar 11, 6:29 pm, paul <paullitw...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 9:58 pm, paul <paullitw...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 7, 1:53 am, Robby Workman <newsgro...(a)rlworkman.net> wrote:
>
> > > On 2010-03-06, paul <paullitw...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 3, 6:08 am, paul <paullitw...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> On Mar 2, 7:50 pm, Robby Workman <newsgro...(a)rlworkman.net> wrote:
>
> > > >> > On 2010-03-03, paul <paullitw...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> > > I need radeonkmsto use my x1900GT video card with dri. Once xf86-
> > > >> > > video-ati-0.6.13 is released which is said to be imminent on phoronix,
> > > >> > > can we get radeonkmssupport? As of 2.6.33 kernel support for radeon
> > > >> > >kmsis promoted out of experimental status.
>
> > > >> > It's present in the 2.6.33 kernel in -current now, but it's not
> > > >> > enabled by default.
>
> > > >> > -RW
>
> > > >> If it is not enabled by default, I have to recompile the kernel,
> > > >> mesa , libdrm, and xf86-video-ati to use it, do I not? . I have
> > > >> actually done this with a rc kernel, but I would like to see my
> > > >> hardware supported "out of the box". Fedora 12 works "out of the box",
> > > >> Ubuntu 10.04 alpha3 works "out of the box", and archlinux "testing"
> > > >> works "out of the box".
> > > >> Fedora and Ubuntu are very difficult for me to work with because they
> > > >> are so complex, being crowded with innovations that make them fit for
> > > >> either a completely novice user or a developer, but no one in between.
> > > >> I am more comfortable with Slackware which has conventions which
> > > >> someone with my intermediate level of knowledge can make sense of and
> > > >> work with. Archlinux is also usable, but is a strictly rolling release
> > > >> and overtime they are pretty sure to drop support for my card during
> > > >> their evolution.
>
> > > > I recompiled 2.6.33 with radeonkmsenabled and used src2pkg & souce
> > > > tarball to get a xf86-video-ati-0.6.12.191 package. Card works good
> > > > now. However I still think 2.6.33 should come packaged with radeonkms
> > > > enable and xf86-video-ati-0.6.12.191 should be in extra.
>
> > > Enabling radeonkmsby default would be a horrible idea, as
> > > many cards would not work at all.  In fact, I wouldn't expect
> > > us to enable it by default until the userspace driver requires
> > > it (just like we did for the intel driver).  
>
> > > You don't need to recompile a kernel at all to enable it.
> > > Here's what was in 13.0's CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT file:
>
> > >   If you want to try the new kernel mode setting (KMS), you don't have to
> > >     build a custom kernel; add this to your kernel's lilo stanza:
> > >       append = "i915.modeset=1"
>
> > > Obviously that's not completely accurate now, since *i915* modesetting
> > > is enabled by default.  However, I am quite certain that you can work
> > > out how to modify that line :-)
>
> > > Putting the newer version of the ati driver in /extra may very
> > > well be an option, but I'd like to wait until the xorg guys
> > > decide that it's "stable" first -- in other words, I don't want
> > > to put a beta/rc driver in there unless we don't have any other
> > > option.
>
> > > -RW
>
> > Kudos, I tried your suggestion, and it worked.
>
> I must contradict my last statement. I realized I had replaced the
> stock slackware modules with my custom ones. So to do a fair test, I
> deleted my modules and reinstalled stock slackware andkmsfailed even
> with append = "radeon.modset=1" in my lilo. So custom compile is
> needed to make radeonkmswork. The stock kernel config does not seem
> to allow radeonkmson my box.

I googled some when the 2.6.33.1 kernel package came out into current.
It said to blacklist radeon & radeonfb modules and then load radeon
after the os completed initializing by putting /sbin/modprobe radeon
modeset=1 in rc.local.
This seems to work fine.
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