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From: "Bobby Pejman" on 21 Apr 2010 15:55 I must say, I never heard or even thought of the idea of calling it LookOut. Hahaha. It made me laugh for a good 10 minutes and if that term is open source, I will be using it ;) -----Original Message----- From: "Bob McConnell" <rvm(a)CBORD.com> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 15:01:55 To: Michelle Konzack<linux4michelle(a)tamay-dogan.net>; <php-general(a)lists.php.net> Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up) From: Michelle Konzack > Hello Peter Lind, > > Am 2010-04-21 15:47:54, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: >> And waste time every single time you post to the list ... why do >> people become programmers/developers again? To end creating technical >> solutions they can then avoid using by doing extra, pointless manual >> work? > > Hmmm, being a Programmer/Developer since 1982 and have ever used decent > tools to accomplish a task... including the right MUA which simplify > the Programmers/Developers daily mailing tasks. > >> Anyway, if there's no chance of changing the minds of the people >> administering the list, the discussion might as well end now. > > Why should Programmers/Developers bother with non-reliable MUAs which > do not support Programmers/Developers daily mailing tasks? > > If YOU are a Programmer/Developer why do you bother with a non-suitable > MUA? Probably because we don't have a choice. There is a legion of PHBs that make those decisions for us, obviously without having any information about what tools are really needed. I have to hand edit every response I send here and to several other lists in order to add the quote markers and move my content to the correct location. Lookout no longer offers that option. It also lacks the reply-to-list action as well as several others that would make life easier and simpler for everyone. I can't replace it because it is closely bound to our Exchange servers for scheduling and planning. So I won't have an option until after I retire, and then I won't need this list at all. Fortunately, that is only a couple of years away at most. Bob McConnell -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
From: David McGlone on 21 Apr 2010 16:13 On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 12:13 -0400, tedd wrote: > At 8:27 AM -0400 4/21/10, David McGlone wrote: > >I give up. trying to reply to messages on this list is tedious. I can't > >pinpoint whether it's because the list is set up to make replies go to > >the OP or the OP has his reply-to in his mail client set, or most people > >are hitting the reply-to button instead of simply reply. > > > >It just doesn't make sense to me, why be on the mailing list if it > >hinders having a group discussion without having to jump through > >hurdles. It also defeats the purpose of being on a group list if > >replying sends the reply to the OP. > > > >Every message sent to this list, simply hitting reply should send back > >to this list and not the OP. > >-- > >Blessings, > >David M. > > David: > > Whenever I want to reply to the OP privately, I use their email address. > > Whenever I want to reply to all, I use "PHP <php-general(a)lists.php.net>" > > I do NOT (usually) use any quick "Reply" or "Reply to All" options in > my email program that sends stuff to everyone. Instead I think about > what I am sending and consider if anyone wants to receive my email. > Sure it's another step, but no more troublesome than trimming my > email to the point or other such considerations to make my replies > "on topic" and more readable. > > I'm sorry that you feel that doing so is *so tedious* that you are > going to "give up", but consider the effort that is put forth by > those answering you you should reconsider how much effort you are > willing spend to make this list work. Sometimes things cannot be as > simple as "Click". Hi Ted, thanks for the words of encouragement. The thread got a little big pretty quick so you may have missed a previous post from me. here it is: "I'm the type of person that figures out how and why and then weighs my options. Figuring out how to reply properly to this list was the first step, now the next step is figuring out if I can deal with it or not. I've decided to stay for a couple reasons, for one, everybody on this list didn't once get mean or hateful during this whole discussion. That flabbergasted me, because on a lot of lists I am on, quite a few people on those lists would have instantly jumped down my throat. Secondly, Everyone on this list that I have seen ask questions and give advise are darn good programmers, so in order to be in the company of people like this, then changing my habits shouldn't be hard. The reason for the subject change was because I feared I was going to start a flame war, so I was going to back down and just forget I mentioned it." I have learned to use the "reply to list" option. Something I never knew existed. Even though I prefer it the other way around, where hitting "reply" does the job, I am willing to compromise just like many others on the list. :-) -- Blessings, David M.
From: David McGlone on 21 Apr 2010 16:21 On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 20:38 +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Hello David McGlone, > > Am 2010-04-21 09:37:48, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > > Yes. but if it was so harmful, why does the 40, 50 or so lists that I've > > been on, simply let you hit the reply and it goes back to the list? > > Can you tell me which list these are? I assume that on most of those > lists are handicaped Windows-Users which can not do better du to there > cuted down ad restricting software which does not allow Users-Freedom... To name a few: Linux 4 Christians Christian Source Free Open Source LUG (CS-FSLUG) KDE * Gnome * Central Ohio Linux Users Group -- Blessings, David M.
From: "O. Lavell" on 21 Apr 2010 12:16 Michelle Konzack wrote: > Hello David McGlone, > > Am 2010-04-21 08:27:18, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: >> I give up. trying to reply to messages on this list is tedious. I can't >> pinpoint whether it's because the list is set up to make replies go to >> the OP or the OP has his reply-to in his mail client set, or most >> people are hitting the reply-to button instead of simply reply. > > You are using Evolution and I am wondering, why you do not use the > "List-Reply Button"! There is no such button in the Evolution version I am using, but Ctrl+L works just as well. I prefer to read this list as an nntp newsgroup on news.php.net.
From: Ashley Sheridan on 22 Apr 2010 06:09
On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 19:55 +0000, Bobby Pejman wrote: > I must say, I never heard or even thought of the idea of calling it LookOut. Hahaha. It made me laugh for a good 10 minutes and if that term is open source, I will be using it ;) > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Bob McConnell" <rvm(a)CBORD.com> > Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 15:01:55 > To: Michelle Konzack<linux4michelle(a)tamay-dogan.net>; <php-general(a)lists.php.net> > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up) > From: Michelle Konzack > > > Hello Peter Lind, > > > > Am 2010-04-21 15:47:54, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > >> And waste time every single time you post to the list ... why do > >> people become programmers/developers again? To end creating technical > >> solutions they can then avoid using by doing extra, pointless manual > >> work? > > > > Hmmm, being a Programmer/Developer since 1982 and have ever used > decent > > tools to accomplish a task... including the right MUA which > simplify > > the Programmers/Developers daily mailing tasks. > > > >> Anyway, if there's no chance of changing the minds of the people > >> administering the list, the discussion might as well end now. > > > > Why should Programmers/Developers bother with non-reliable MUAs > which > > do not support Programmers/Developers daily mailing tasks? > > > > If YOU are a Programmer/Developer why do you bother with a > non-suitable > > MUA? > > Probably because we don't have a choice. There is a legion of PHBs that > make those decisions for us, obviously without having any information > about what tools are really needed. I have to hand edit every response I > send here and to several other lists in order to add the quote markers > and move my content to the correct location. Lookout no longer offers > that option. It also lacks the reply-to-list action as well as several > others that would make life easier and simpler for everyone. I can't > replace it because it is closely bound to our Exchange servers for > scheduling and planning. So I won't have an option until after I retire, > and then I won't need this list at all. Fortunately, that is only a > couple of years away at most. > > Bob McConnell > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > Outlook is a pita sometimes. At my last job I just used Evolution and connected over the OWA, as at the time I had to use my own laptop because of a lack of computers available. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk |