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From: Robert Riches on 21 Jan 2010 14:05
Is there a current music notation editor for Linux that handles
insertion and deletion of notes/rests in the middle of a
sequence?

When NoteEdit was still alive, it allowed inserting and deleting
notes and rests in the middle of sequences. The later notes and
rests would automagically shift themselves over measure bars.
However, NoteEdit has fallen into disrepair and has been thrown
under the KDE3 -> KDE4 bus; it apparently won't even compile from
source on a KDE4 system.

In the current Linux music notation editors I have found (NtEd,
MuseScore, and Rosegarden), measure bars are hard barriers, and a
sequence of notes and rests won't flow over them. I have
searched about everywhere I could think of to find a Linux music
notation editor that supports insertion and deletion similarly to
the way NoteEdit did.

Any suggestions? (I'd really rather not have to write such an
editor myself...)

--
Robert Riches
spamtrap42(a)verizon.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
From: Bob Tennent on 21 Jan 2010 14:35
On 21 Jan 2010 19:05:07 GMT, Robert Riches wrote:
> Is there a current music notation editor for Linux that handles
> insertion and deletion of notes/rests in the middle of a
> sequence?
>
> When NoteEdit was still alive, it allowed inserting and deleting
> notes and rests in the middle of sequences. The later notes and
> rests would automagically shift themselves over measure bars.
> However, NoteEdit has fallen into disrepair and has been thrown
> under the KDE3 -> KDE4 bus; it apparently won't even compile from
> source on a KDE4 system.
>
> In the current Linux music notation editors I have found (NtEd,
> MuseScore, and Rosegarden), measure bars are hard barriers, and a
> sequence of notes and rests won't flow over them. I have
> searched about everywhere I could think of to find a Linux music
> notation editor that supports insertion and deletion similarly to
> the way NoteEdit did.
>
> Any suggestions? (I'd really rather not have to write such an
> editor myself...)

Possibly Canorus:

http://canorus.berlios.de/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

or Denemo:

http://www.denemo.org/index.php/Main_Page

I use MusiXTeX myself.

Bob T.
From: unruh on 21 Jan 2010 17:57
On 2010-01-21, Robert Riches <spamtrap42(a)verizon.net> wrote:
> Is there a current music notation editor for Linux that handles
> insertion and deletion of notes/rests in the middle of a
> sequence?
>
> When NoteEdit was still alive, it allowed inserting and deleting
> notes and rests in the middle of sequences. The later notes and
> rests would automagically shift themselves over measure bars.
> However, NoteEdit has fallen into disrepair and has been thrown
> under the KDE3 -> KDE4 bus; it apparently won't even compile from
> source on a KDE4 system.
>
> In the current Linux music notation editors I have found (NtEd,
> MuseScore, and Rosegarden), measure bars are hard barriers, and a
> sequence of notes and rests won't flow over them. I have
> searched about everywhere I could think of to find a Linux music
> notation editor that supports insertion and deletion similarly to
> the way NoteEdit did.

One could of course argue that this is what most people would want--
after all in modern music practice bar lines are rigid affairs with
exactly the keysignature beats per bar, and with the stress pattern
designated by the bar lines. Thus it would make little sense to suddenly
trasfer all notes in a piece which were supposed to have a strong stress
( beginning of a bar) to ones where they have a weak stress ( end of
bar.)
On the other hand if you are doing early music, where bars were much
more fluid, where bars did not denote fixed rhytmic patterns, but
stresses, and thus bars could have all sorts of rhythmic lengths, maybe
your way would make a bit more sense, although it would still alter the
stresses of the notes.

I guess all of this is to try to find out what you are doing that you
would want to divorce the notes from the bars.
>
> Any suggestions? (I'd really rather not have to write such an
> editor myself...)
>
From: Robert Riches on 21 Jan 2010 18:26
On 2010-01-21, Bob Tennent <BobT(a)cs.queensu.ca> wrote:
> On 21 Jan 2010 19:05:07 GMT, Robert Riches wrote:
> > Is there a current music notation editor for Linux that handles
> > insertion and deletion of notes/rests in the middle of a
> > sequence?
> >
> > When NoteEdit was still alive, it allowed inserting and deleting
> > notes and rests in the middle of sequences. The later notes and
> > rests would automagically shift themselves over measure bars.
> > However, NoteEdit has fallen into disrepair and has been thrown
> > under the KDE3 -> KDE4 bus; it apparently won't even compile from
> > source on a KDE4 system.
> >
> > In the current Linux music notation editors I have found (NtEd,
> > MuseScore, and Rosegarden), measure bars are hard barriers, and a
> > sequence of notes and rests won't flow over them. I have
> > searched about everywhere I could think of to find a Linux music
> > notation editor that supports insertion and deletion similarly to
> > the way NoteEdit did.
> >
> > Any suggestions? (I'd really rather not have to write such an
> > editor myself...)
>
> Possibly Canorus:
>
> http://canorus.berlios.de/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
>
> or Denemo:
>
> http://www.denemo.org/index.php/Main_Page
>
> I use MusiXTeX myself.
>
> Bob T.

Thank you for those suggestions. I'll give them a try.

--
Robert Riches
spamtrap42(a)verizon.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
From: Robert Riches on 21 Jan 2010 18:29
On 2010-01-21, unruh <unruh(a)wormhole.physics.ubc.ca> wrote:
> On 2010-01-21, Robert Riches <spamtrap42(a)verizon.net> wrote:
>> Is there a current music notation editor for Linux that handles
>> insertion and deletion of notes/rests in the middle of a
>> sequence?
>>
>> When NoteEdit was still alive, it allowed inserting and deleting
>> notes and rests in the middle of sequences. The later notes and
>> rests would automagically shift themselves over measure bars.
>> However, NoteEdit has fallen into disrepair and has been thrown
>> under the KDE3 -> KDE4 bus; it apparently won't even compile from
>> source on a KDE4 system.
>>
>> In the current Linux music notation editors I have found (NtEd,
>> MuseScore, and Rosegarden), measure bars are hard barriers, and a
>> sequence of notes and rests won't flow over them. I have
>> searched about everywhere I could think of to find a Linux music
>> notation editor that supports insertion and deletion similarly to
>> the way NoteEdit did.
>
> One could of course argue that this is what most people would want--
> after all in modern music practice bar lines are rigid affairs with
> exactly the keysignature beats per bar, and with the stress pattern
> designated by the bar lines. Thus it would make little sense to suddenly
> trasfer all notes in a piece which were supposed to have a strong stress
> ( beginning of a bar) to ones where they have a weak stress ( end of
> bar.)
> On the other hand if you are doing early music, where bars were much
> more fluid, where bars did not denote fixed rhytmic patterns, but
> stresses, and thus bars could have all sorts of rhythmic lengths, maybe
> your way would make a bit more sense, although it would still alter the
> stresses of the notes.
>
> I guess all of this is to try to find out what you are doing that you
> would want to divorce the notes from the bars.

You are right that rigid measure bars are good _IF_ the composer
has figured out what music is. My need is for the early stages
of composition when the composer (not me) is trying to figure out
what the notes and rhythm are; when the composer hears the music
in her head but can't yet play it on the piano or write it down
on paper to know what the rhythm is or where the notes go.

Thanks.

--
Robert Riches
spamtrap42(a)verizon.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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