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From: whisky-dave on 27 Jan 2010 08:25

"sobriquet" <dohduhdah(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On 26 jan, 17:39, "whisky-dave" <whisky-d...(a)final.front.ear> wrote:
>> "sobriquet" <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:fb433621-705c-4ed6-8740-1ad96069e8cb(a)p24g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > The intellectual property mafia owns your mind and soon you will have
>> > to pay them for using your brain,
>>
>> I guess due to lack of use you wont get charged much.
>
> Gee, did you come up with that witty remark all by yourself?

Well yes, I didn;t need any help if that's what you mean.
I guess my invoice from the intellectual property mafia will be
significantly higher than yours.
Maybe you could give me some advice in reducing my bill. :)



From: sobriquet on 27 Jan 2010 15:02
On 27 jan, 18:35, sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>[..]
> The computer is a natural extension of the brain and the ways it
> offers to store, manipulate
> and communicate information. Hence, just like it doesn't make sense to
> apply copyright to characters, words or numbers, it doesn't make sense to
> apply copyright to bitstrings (the difference between a binary number
> and a bitstring is irrelevant).

Uh.. characters instead of letters.
From: whisky-dave on 28 Jan 2010 12:30

"sobriquet" <dohduhdah(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Who keeps track of ownership of bitstrings? Where can I find out who
> owns the following bitstring?
>
> 00101110111101001010000101011010111111010000000000111010011011001000111000
>
> Can I claim ownership of it and put it on a CDROM, add a manual and
> put it in a box and sell it on eBay?

Yes you can, but I'd put a reserve of a few $1000, don't want to sell it to
cheaply.

It's not illegal to sell something you own on ebay you know.




From: sobriquet on 28 Jan 2010 13:05
On 28 jan, 18:30, "whisky-dave" <whisky-d...(a)final.front.ear> wrote:
> "sobriquet" <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:6f8b4cdc-63f7-47ab-9ce9-1fee4b1725ad(a)36g2000yqu.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Who keeps track of ownership of bitstrings? Where can I find out who
> > owns the following bitstring?
>
> > 00101110111101001010000101011010111111010000000000111010011011001000111000
>
> > Can I claim ownership of it and put it on a CDROM, add a manual and
> > put it in a box and sell it on eBay?
>
> Yes you can,  but I'd put a reserve of a few $1000, don't want to sell it to
> cheaply.
>
> It's not illegal to sell something you own on ebay you know.

You can't.. some corporation might claim it's their intellectual
property and they have a lot of money to sue you, so it's probably not
a good idea to sell bitstrings indiscriminately on ebay like that,
even if you generated the bitstring yourself, or you found it on p2p
and you're not sure if it belongs to the public domain.

But if you share such bitstrings on p2p, it's unlikely you get into
trouble, because you just share it for a little while and then the
people downloading it are sharing it collectively and nobody needs to
share a complete copy.. as soon as a downloader as completed a copy,
he doesn't need to share it anymore and he doesn't risk legal
consequences as they will typically target people who share complete
copies long enough for them to be tracked down by agencies that seek
to identify infringing files in order to criminalize the people
sharing them.
Also, the internet is an international phenomenon, so people can
simply share files in a location where laws on filesharing are more
lenient.
Like in the Netherlands where I live, people are legally allowed to
copy most things for personal use, even if they don't have an original
copy. So I can legally download copyrighted music, movies or books for
free from p2p and I wouldn't break any laws (as there is a tax on
information where I live to compensate for such personal copies).
From: Pete on 28 Jan 2010 16:25
sobriquet wrote:
> I share and collect bitstrings. All bitstrings belong to everybody!

These, for example, don't apply to you then?
http://www.blenheim.nl/copyright-law.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_copyright_law

By your reasoning Microsoft won't mind at all when you distribute their
software.

Great. Good luck.

No reply required.

Pete


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