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From: Ray Fischer on 30 Jan 2010 03:29 sobriquet <dohduhdah(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On 30 jan, 05:32, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> sobriquet �<dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >On 29 jan, 08:26, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> >> sobriquet �<dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> > rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> >> >> sobriquet �<dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >Who keeps track of ownership of bitstrings? Where can I find out who >> >> >> >owns the following bitstring? >> >> >> >> >00101110111101001010000101011010111111010000000000111010011011001000111000 >> >> >> >> >Can I claim ownership of it and put it on a CDROM, add a manual and >> >> >> >put it in a box and sell it on eBay? >> >> >> >> Nope. �It has to be unique and original and I can promise you that any >> >> >> bit string of that length has been used already countless times. >> >> >> >Ah ok.. so what sort of a length did you have in mind for unique and >> >> >original bitstrings? >> >> >Who is to decide which bitstrings are unique and original? >> >> >> Why don't you ask a lawyer? >> >> >Surely if people here claim to own certain bitstrings, they should be >> >able to explain how this system of ownership is supposed to work >> >exactly? >> >> "Some bitstrings" is not synonymous with "any bitstring". �Play with >> your strawman all you like, but it'll just make you look dishonest. > >What strawman? "claim to own certain bitstrings" > you're still not clear about what bitstrings are >supposed to be >allowed as private property Strawman. >> >> By the way, photographs run about 10,000,000 bits and up and published >> >> fiction runs 100,000 bits and up. �Software runs in the billions of >> >> bits. >> >> >> You should be able to figure out something. >> >> >No.. I'm still mystified. >> >> Too bad. > >It's ok.. it's not in my interest to understand copyright.. it's in >the interest of people who advocate copyright to come up with a >sensible interpretation of it. If you're incapable of understanding it then you're incapable of determining if it's sensible. >> > A bitstring of 100 bits can be shared as >> >easily as a bitstring of 100,000 bits or 100,000,000 bits. >> >> That's a stupid lie. > >I've regularly shared bitstrings of over 600,000,000,000 bits without >significant effort Weasel words. "Significant effort" (for you) is nowhere near the same thing as "as easily as a bitstring" of 100 bits. Are you going to start being honest? -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net
From: sobriquet on 30 Jan 2010 03:46 On 30 jan, 09:29, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >On 30 jan, 05:32, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > >> sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >On 29 jan, 08:26, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > >> >> sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> > rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > >> >> >> sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >Who keeps track of ownership of bitstrings? Where can I find out who > >> >> >> >owns the following bitstring? > > >> >> >> >00101110111101001010000101011010111111010000000000111010011011001000111000 > > >> >> >> >Can I claim ownership of it and put it on a CDROM, add a manual and > >> >> >> >put it in a box and sell it on eBay? > > >> >> >> Nope. It has to be unique and original and I can promise you that any > >> >> >> bit string of that length has been used already countless times. > > >> >> >Ah ok.. so what sort of a length did you have in mind for unique and > >> >> >original bitstrings? > >> >> >Who is to decide which bitstrings are unique and original? > > >> >> Why don't you ask a lawyer? > > >> >Surely if people here claim to own certain bitstrings, they should be > >> >able to explain how this system of ownership is supposed to work > >> >exactly? > > >> "Some bitstrings" is not synonymous with "any bitstring". Play with > >> your strawman all you like, but it'll just make you look dishonest. > > >What strawman? > > "claim to own certain bitstrings" > > > you're still not clear about what bitstrings are > >supposed to be > >allowed as private property > > Strawman. That's no strawman.. that's the subject of this discussion, spurious intellectual property claims pertaining to bitstrings. Seems like you might want to brush up your argumentation skills a bit. http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4919006/TTC_VIDEO_-_Argumentation__The_Study_of_Effective_Reasoning_2nd_ > > >> >> By the way, photographs run about 10,000,000 bits and up and published > >> >> fiction runs 100,000 bits and up. Software runs in the billions of > >> >> bits. > > >> >> You should be able to figure out something. > > >> >No.. I'm still mystified. > > >> Too bad. > > >It's ok.. it's not in my interest to understand copyright.. it's in > >the interest of people who advocate copyright to come up with a > >sensible interpretation of it. > > If you're incapable of understanding it then you're incapable of > determining if it's sensible. So far, nobody in this thread has come up with any sensible explanation of how copyright is applicable to bitstrings or how a system of copyright regulations can effectively regulate peoples behavior regarding which bitstrings they might collect, share and exchange. People just assume that I am stealing their pictures, because I happen to share bitstrings that they consider to be their intellectual property and in response to their accusations, I'm exposing their spurious claims for the wishful thinking that it boils down to. > > >> > A bitstring of 100 bits can be shared as > >> >easily as a bitstring of 100,000 bits or 100,000,000 bits. > > >> That's a stupid lie. > > >I've regularly shared bitstrings of over 600,000,000,000 bits without > >significant effort > > Weasel words. "Significant effort" (for you) is nowhere near the same > thing as "as easily as a bitstring" of 100 bits. > > Are you going to start being honest? You don't have a clue about filesharing, that's pretty obvious by now. > > -- > Ray Fischer > rfisc...(a)sonic.net - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
From: Ray Fischer on 30 Jan 2010 14:15 sobriquet <dohduhdah(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On 30 jan, 09:29, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> sobriquet �<dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >On 30 jan, 05:32, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> >> sobriquet �<dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >On 29 jan, 08:26, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> >> >> sobriquet �<dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> > rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> >> >> >> sobriquet �<dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Who keeps track of ownership of bitstrings? Where can I find out who >> >> >> >> >owns the following bitstring? >> >> >> >> >> >00101110111101001010000101011010111111010000000000111010011011001000111000 >> >> >> >> >> >Can I claim ownership of it and put it on a CDROM, add a manual and >> >> >> >> >put it in a box and sell it on eBay? >> >> >> >> >> Nope. �It has to be unique and original and I can promise you that any >> >> >> >> bit string of that length has been used already countless times. >> >> >> >> >Ah ok.. so what sort of a length did you have in mind for unique and >> >> >> >original bitstrings? >> >> >> >Who is to decide which bitstrings are unique and original? >> >> >> >> Why don't you ask a lawyer? >> >> >> >Surely if people here claim to own certain bitstrings, they should be >> >> >able to explain how this system of ownership is supposed to work >> >> >exactly? >> >> >> "Some bitstrings" is not synonymous with "any bitstring". �Play with >> >> your strawman all you like, but it'll just make you look dishonest. >> >> >What strawman? >> >> "claim to own certain bitstrings" >> >> > you're still not clear about what bitstrings are >> >supposed to be >> >allowed as private property >> >> Strawman. > >That's no strawman. Yes it is. > that's the subject of this discussion, spurious >intellectual property claims pertaining to bitstrings. Whose? >> >> >> By the way, photographs run about 10,000,000 bits and up and published >> >> >> fiction runs 100,000 bits and up. �Software runs in the billions of >> >> >> bits. >> >> >> >> You should be able to figure out something. >> >> >> >No.. I'm still mystified. >> >> >> Too bad. >> >> >It's ok.. it's not in my interest to understand copyright.. it's in >> >the interest of people who advocate copyright to come up with a >> >sensible interpretation of it. >> >> If you're incapable of understanding it then you're incapable of >> determining if it's sensible. > >So far, nobody in this thread has come up with any sensible >explanation of >how copyright is applicable to bitstrings or how a system of copyright But since you've already stated that you're incapable of understanding then that particular whine isn't worth anything. -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net
From: sobriquet on 30 Jan 2010 15:42 On 30 jan, 20:15, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >On 30 jan, 09:29, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > >> sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >On 30 jan, 05:32, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > >> >> sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> >On 29 jan, 08:26, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > >> >> >> sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > >> >> >> >> sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >Who keeps track of ownership of bitstrings? Where can I find out who > >> >> >> >> >owns the following bitstring? > > >> >> >> >> >00101110111101001010000101011010111111010000000000111010011011001000111000 > > >> >> >> >> >Can I claim ownership of it and put it on a CDROM, add a manual and > >> >> >> >> >put it in a box and sell it on eBay? > > >> >> >> >> Nope. It has to be unique and original and I can promise you that any > >> >> >> >> bit string of that length has been used already countless times. > > >> >> >> >Ah ok.. so what sort of a length did you have in mind for unique and > >> >> >> >original bitstrings? > >> >> >> >Who is to decide which bitstrings are unique and original? > > >> >> >> Why don't you ask a lawyer? > > >> >> >Surely if people here claim to own certain bitstrings, they should be > >> >> >able to explain how this system of ownership is supposed to work > >> >> >exactly? > > >> >> "Some bitstrings" is not synonymous with "any bitstring". Play with > >> >> your strawman all you like, but it'll just make you look dishonest. > > >> >What strawman? > > >> "claim to own certain bitstrings" > > >> > you're still not clear about what bitstrings are > >> >supposed to be > >> >allowed as private property > > >> Strawman. > > >That's no strawman. > > Yes it is. Again, you demonstrate lack of argumentation skills and fail to comprehend the concept of a 'strawman'. > > > that's the subject of this discussion, spurious > >intellectual property claims pertaining to bitstrings. > > Whose? You claim bitstrings can be owned by people or corporations, I claim that bitstrings belong to the public domain. You have failed miserably in both arguing your position as well as refuting my arguments. You are still stuck with your ludicrous claim that the originality or uniqueness of bitstrings determines if people can claim ownership of them without providing as much as a shred of evidence for this. Nor are you able to specify what it means exactly for a bitstring to be unique or original. > > > >> >> >> By the way, photographs run about 10,000,000 bits and up and published > >> >> >> fiction runs 100,000 bits and up. Software runs in the billions of > >> >> >> bits. > > >> >> >> You should be able to figure out something. > > >> >> >No.. I'm still mystified. > > >> >> Too bad. > > >> >It's ok.. it's not in my interest to understand copyright.. it's in > >> >the interest of people who advocate copyright to come up with a > >> >sensible interpretation of it. > > >> If you're incapable of understanding it then you're incapable of > >> determining if it's sensible. > > >So far, nobody in this thread has come up with any sensible > >explanation of > >how copyright is applicable to bitstrings or how a system of copyright > > But since you've already stated that you're incapable of understanding > then that particular whine isn't worth anything. Evasive debating tactics noted. > > -- > Ray Fischer > rfisc...(a)sonic.net - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
From: Ray Fischer on 30 Jan 2010 18:43
sobriquet <dohduhdah(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On 30 jan, 20:15, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> sobriquet �<dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >On 30 jan, 09:29, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> >> sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >On 30 jan, 05:32, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> >> >> sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >On 29 jan, 08:26, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> >> >> >> sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >Who keeps track of ownership of bitstrings? Where can I find out who >> >> >> >> >> >owns the following bitstring? >> >> >> >> >> >> >00101110111101001010000101011010111111010000000000111010011011001000111000 >> >> >> >> >> >> >Can I claim ownership of it and put it on a CDROM, add a manual and >> >> >> >> >> >put it in a box and sell it on eBay? >> >> >> >> >> >> Nope. It has to be unique and original and I can promise you that any >> >> >> >> >> bit string of that length has been used already countless times. >> >> >> >> >> >Ah ok.. so what sort of a length did you have in mind for unique and >> >> >> >> >original bitstrings? >> >> >> >> >Who is to decide which bitstrings are unique and original? >> >> >> >> >> Why don't you ask a lawyer? >> >> >> >> >Surely if people here claim to own certain bitstrings, they should be >> >> >> >able to explain how this system of ownership is supposed to work >> >> >> >exactly? >> >> >> >> "Some bitstrings" is not synonymous with "any bitstring". Play with >> >> >> your strawman all you like, but it'll just make you look dishonest. >> >> >> >What strawman? >> >> >> "claim to own certain bitstrings" >> >> >> > you're still not clear about what bitstrings are >> >> >supposed to be >> >> >allowed as private property >> >> >> Strawman. >> >> >That's no strawman. >> >> Yes it is. > >Again, you demonstrate lack of argumentation skills and fail to Don't blame me for your own stupidity. >> > that's the subject of this discussion, spurious >> >intellectual property claims pertaining to bitstrings. >> >> Whose? > >You claim bitstrings can be owned by people or corporations, I do not. >> >> >It's ok.. it's not in my interest to understand copyright.. it's in >> >> >the interest of people who advocate copyright to come up with a >> >> >sensible interpretation of it. >> >> >> If you're incapable of understanding it then you're incapable of >> >> determining if it's sensible. >> >> >So far, nobody in this thread has come up with any sensible >> >explanation of >> >how copyright is applicable to bitstrings or how a system of copyright >> >> But since you've already stated that you're incapable of understanding >> then that particular whine isn't worth anything. > >Evasive debating tactics noted. Classic passice-agressive dishonesty. You blame others for your own lack of sense. -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net |