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From: tedd on 7 Oct 2010 13:20 Hi gang: Several years ago I was involved in a court case where a programmers work was being evaluated to establish a dollar amount for the work done. The case was a dispute where the client wanted money back from a programmer for a discontinued project. The programmer simply wanted to be paid for the work he had done. This wasn't a case where anyone had done anything wrong, but rather a circumstance where two parties were trying to figure out who was due what. You see, the original client had been taken over by another company who put a halt to the project the programmer was working on. The new company claimed that because the project wasn't finished, then the programmer should pay back all the money he was paid up-front to start the project. However, while the project had not been finished, the programmer had indeed worked on the project for several months. The programmer stated he wanted to paid his hourly rate. But the new client stated that the up-front money paid had been based upon a bid and not an hourly rate. So, they were at odds as to what to do. The solution in this case was to place a dollar amount on the actual "lines of code" the programmer wrote. In other words, they took all of programmers code and actually counted the lines of code he wrote and then agreed to a specific dollar amount to each line. In this case, the programmer had written over 25,000 lines of code. What do you think he was paid? And with all of that said, what dollar amount would you place on your "line of code"? Cheers, tedd -- ------- http://sperling.com/
From: Bastien Koert on 7 Oct 2010 13:24 On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:20 PM, tedd <tedd.sperling(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi gang: > > Several years ago I was involved in a court case where a programmers work > was being evaluated to establish a dollar amount for the work done. > > The case was a dispute where the client wanted money back from a programmer > for a discontinued project. The programmer simply wanted to be paid for the > work he had done. This wasn't a case where anyone had done anything wrong, > but rather a circumstance where two parties were trying to figure out who > was due what. > > You see, the original client had been taken over by another company who put > a halt to the project the programmer was working on. The new company claimed > that because the project wasn't finished, then the programmer should pay > back all the money he was paid up-front to start the project. However, while > the project had not been finished, the programmer had indeed worked on the > project for several months. > > The programmer stated he wanted to paid his hourly rate. But the new client > stated that the up-front money paid had been based upon a bid and not an > hourly rate. So, they were at odds as to what to do. > > The solution in this case was to place a dollar amount on the actual "lines > of code" the programmer wrote. In other words, they took all of programmers > code and actually counted the lines of code he wrote and then agreed to a > specific dollar amount to each line. In this case, the programmer had > written over 25,000 lines of code. What do you think he was paid? > > And with all of that said, what dollar amount would you place on your "line > of code"? > > Cheers, > > tedd > > -- > ------- > http://sperling.com/ > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > I bet it wasn't much., $.10 (ten cents) per line? -- Bastien Cat, the other other white meat
From: Robert Cummings on 7 Oct 2010 13:24 On 10-10-07 01:20 PM, tedd wrote: > Hi gang: > > Several years ago I was involved in a court case where a programmers > work was being evaluated to establish a dollar amount for the work > done. > > The case was a dispute where the client wanted money back from a > programmer for a discontinued project. The programmer simply wanted > to be paid for the work he had done. This wasn't a case where anyone > had done anything wrong, but rather a circumstance where two parties > were trying to figure out who was due what. > > You see, the original client had been taken over by another company > who put a halt to the project the programmer was working on. The new > company claimed that because the project wasn't finished, then the > programmer should pay back all the money he was paid up-front to > start the project. However, while the project had not been finished, > the programmer had indeed worked on the project for several months. > > The programmer stated he wanted to paid his hourly rate. But the new > client stated that the up-front money paid had been based upon a bid > and not an hourly rate. So, they were at odds as to what to do. > > The solution in this case was to place a dollar amount on the actual > "lines of code" the programmer wrote. In other words, they took all > of programmers code and actually counted the lines of code he wrote > and then agreed to a specific dollar amount to each line. In this > case, the programmer had written over 25,000 lines of code. What do > you think he was paid? > > And with all of that said, what dollar amount would you place on your > "line of code"? This is a poor system for evaluation. Some lines are worth MUCH, MUCH more than others. Cheers, Rob. -- E-Mail Disclaimer: Information contained in this message and any attached documents is considered confidential and legally protected. This message is intended solely for the addressee(s). Disclosure, copying, and distribution are prohibited unless authorized.
From: Joshua Kehn on 7 Oct 2010 13:27 I'm not sure this is even worth answering. The question isn't how many lines of code were written but percentage of the project completed. If he estimated 8 months, worked for 4 months, and was 50% done, he should get half his estimate. Hourly rates wouldn't come into it unless the client thought it would be cheaper to simply pay him for his time rather then the bid. Subject the following to my poor legal knowledge: I would also guess that if he was under contract with a company to provide a product for a set dollar amount then wouldn't the company be forced to complete it's half so to speak? Regards, -Josh ____________________________________ Joshua Kehn | Josh.Kehn(a)gmail.com http://joshuakehn.com On Oct 7, 2010, at 1:20 PM, tedd wrote: > Hi gang: > > Several years ago I was involved in a court case where a programmers work was being evaluated to establish a dollar amount for the work done. > > The case was a dispute where the client wanted money back from a programmer for a discontinued project. The programmer simply wanted to be paid for the work he had done. This wasn't a case where anyone had done anything wrong, but rather a circumstance where two parties were trying to figure out who was due what. > > You see, the original client had been taken over by another company who put a halt to the project the programmer was working on. The new company claimed that because the project wasn't finished, then the programmer should pay back all the money he was paid up-front to start the project. However, while the project had not been finished, the programmer had indeed worked on the project for several months. > > The programmer stated he wanted to paid his hourly rate. But the new client stated that the up-front money paid had been based upon a bid and not an hourly rate. So, they were at odds as to what to do. > > The solution in this case was to place a dollar amount on the actual "lines of code" the programmer wrote. In other words, they took all of programmers code and actually counted the lines of code he wrote and then agreed to a specific dollar amount to each line. In this case, the programmer had written over 25,000 lines of code. What do you think he was paid? > > And with all of that said, what dollar amount would you place on your "line of code"? > > Cheers, > > tedd > > -- > ------- > http://sperling.com/ > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >
From: "Daniel P. Brown" on 7 Oct 2010 13:30
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 13:20, tedd <tedd.sperling(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi gang: Hi, Tedd! What's it like over there in Australia, where it's already Friday? ;-P -- </Daniel P. Brown> Dedicated Servers, Cloud and Cloud Hybrid Solutions, VPS, Hosting (866-) 725-4321 http://www.parasane.net/ |