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From: Peter on 22 Jul 2010 09:33
"Roger" <Invalid(a)rogerhalstead.com> wrote in message
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> Wayyyy back when... I used to do candid weddings along with the formal
> shots which was as much as two whole days. You might think that with
> all the others shooting there would be no market, but it made me more
> money than the formal shots.
> Again, I knew ahead of time what the family/couple wanted and those
> are not necessarily the same.

You are giving some very good advice, which is applicable to street and
wildlife photographers, as well as event photographers

Try to understand your subject, in advance and anticipate what will happen.

--
Peter

From: Chris Malcolm on 27 Jul 2010 14:28
In rec.photo.digital C J Campbell <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 2010-07-12 20:07:40 -0700, Robert Coe <bob(a)1776.COM> said:

>> On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:45:35 -0700, C J Campbell
>> <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>> : On 2010-07-12 12:03:52 -0700, tony cooper
>> <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> said:
>> :
>> : > On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:10:23 -0700, C J Campbell
>> : > <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>> : >
>> : >> On 2010-07-12 10:48:13 -0700, Bowser <Canon(a)Nikon.Panny> said:
>> : >>
>> : >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9HD5GZooPQ
>> : >>
>> : >> He blocks the videographer from filming the entire wedding retreat. He
>> : >> doesn't know where the fountain is.
>> : >
>> : > Font, not fountain. That's a baptismal font.
>> :
>> : So it is! Well, he baptized himself, eh?
>> :
>> : It also seems to me he could have dressed appropriately for a wedding.
>> : Too many photogs out there looking like slobs.
>>
>> Interesting point. I thought all wedding photographers dressed in black. I've
>> been told that it's to prevent any reflected light from colorizing the bride's
>> dress.
>>
>> Bob

> Black has that advantage, of course. It also makes you less visible.
> People do not 'see' people who are wearing black. My outfit consists of
> black slacks, black shirt & tie, black shoes, and a black jacket if a
> jacket is necessary. Everything has a discreet logo embroidered on it.
> My assistant wears a long black dress, but she is the sort that is just
> not invisible no matter what she wears.

A black scarf can be a handy photographic accessory. You can use it to
set up a small bit of black background, to block a light coloured
accidental annoying reflector, to shroud off the reflections from some
glass you want to shoot through, to shroud your head and screen when
using an LCD in bright sunlight, and so on.

I recall a shoot where the photographer wanted to illuminate all the
small nooks, crannies, and cubicles of a complex interior space and
hadn't enough flashes to cover them all. So he did it at night in near
total darkness, set up the camera with a long exposure on a tripod,
and ran round the lot dressed in black with a black balaclava and
gloves, firing off a a flash gun in each spot. The gun was set to its
local autothyristor control to equalize illumination.

Dressing so as to be unobtrusive depends on the circumstances. At posh
events you can dress like the toffs to mingle or like an event
supporting employee to be ignored. At publicity seeking events all you
need to do is to dress like a photographer :-) In the wild military
style camouflage works best, and you mustn't forget to camouflage the
big white lens :-)

--
Chris Malcolm
Warning: none of the above is indisputable fact.
From: Robert Coe on 27 Jul 2010 21:17
On 27 Jul 2010 18:28:25 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam(a)holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
: In rec.photo.digital C J Campbell <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
: > On 2010-07-12 20:07:40 -0700, Robert Coe <bob(a)1776.COM> said:
:
: >> On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:45:35 -0700, C J Campbell
: >> <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
: >> : On 2010-07-12 12:03:52 -0700, tony cooper
: >> <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> said:
: >> :
: >> : > On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:10:23 -0700, C J Campbell
: >> : > <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
: >> : >
: >> : >> On 2010-07-12 10:48:13 -0700, Bowser <Canon(a)Nikon.Panny> said:
: >> : >>
: >> : >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9HD5GZooPQ
: >> : >>
: >> : >> He blocks the videographer from filming the entire wedding retreat. He
: >> : >> doesn't know where the fountain is.
: >> : >
: >> : > Font, not fountain. That's a baptismal font.
: >> :
: >> : So it is! Well, he baptized himself, eh?
: >> :
: >> : It also seems to me he could have dressed appropriately for a wedding.
: >> : Too many photogs out there looking like slobs.
: >>
: >> Interesting point. I thought all wedding photographers dressed in black. I've
: >> been told that it's to prevent any reflected light from colorizing the bride's
: >> dress.
: >>
: >> Bob
:
: > Black has that advantage, of course. It also makes you less visible.
: > People do not 'see' people who are wearing black. My outfit consists of
: > black slacks, black shirt & tie, black shoes, and a black jacket if a
: > jacket is necessary. Everything has a discreet logo embroidered on it.
: > My assistant wears a long black dress, but she is the sort that is just
: > not invisible no matter what she wears.
:
: A black scarf can be a handy photographic accessory. You can use it to
: set up a small bit of black background, to block a light coloured
: accidental annoying reflector, to shroud off the reflections from some
: glass you want to shoot through, to shroud your head and screen when
: using an LCD in bright sunlight, ...

or when it's as bald and reflective as mine is.

: Dressing so as to be unobtrusive depends on the circumstances. At posh
: events you can dress like the toffs to mingle or like an event
: supporting employee to be ignored. At publicity seeking events all you
: need to do is to dress like a photographer :-) In the wild military
: style camouflage works best, and you mustn't forget to camouflage the
: big white lens :-)

As I've been walking my city lately taking stock photos for our new Web site,
the following thought has occurred to me: if it bothers you to look ridiculous
in public, you probably don't have much of a future as a photographer. :^|

Bob
From: Dudley Hanks on 27 Jul 2010 21:25

"Robert Coe" <bob(a)1776.COM> wrote in message
news:5t0v46t1a90suqb422hn4rf0re8a4m0p8m(a)4ax.com...
> On 27 Jul 2010 18:28:25 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam(a)holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> : In rec.photo.digital C J Campbell
> <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> : > On 2010-07-12 20:07:40 -0700, Robert Coe <bob(a)1776.COM> said:
> :
> : >> On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:45:35 -0700, C J Campbell
> : >> <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> : >> : On 2010-07-12 12:03:52 -0700, tony cooper
> : >> <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> said:
> : >> :
> : >> : > On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:10:23 -0700, C J Campbell
> : >> : > <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> : >> : >
> : >> : >> On 2010-07-12 10:48:13 -0700, Bowser <Canon(a)Nikon.Panny> said:
> : >> : >>
> : >> : >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9HD5GZooPQ
> : >> : >>
> : >> : >> He blocks the videographer from filming the entire wedding
> retreat. He
> : >> : >> doesn't know where the fountain is.
> : >> : >
> : >> : > Font, not fountain. That's a baptismal font.
> : >> :
> : >> : So it is! Well, he baptized himself, eh?
> : >> :
> : >> : It also seems to me he could have dressed appropriately for a
> wedding.
> : >> : Too many photogs out there looking like slobs.
> : >>
> : >> Interesting point. I thought all wedding photographers dressed in
> black. I've
> : >> been told that it's to prevent any reflected light from colorizing
> the bride's
> : >> dress.
> : >>
> : >> Bob
> :
> : > Black has that advantage, of course. It also makes you less visible.
> : > People do not 'see' people who are wearing black. My outfit consists
> of
> : > black slacks, black shirt & tie, black shoes, and a black jacket if a
> : > jacket is necessary. Everything has a discreet logo embroidered on it.
> : > My assistant wears a long black dress, but she is the sort that is
> just
> : > not invisible no matter what she wears.
> :
> : A black scarf can be a handy photographic accessory. You can use it to
> : set up a small bit of black background, to block a light coloured
> : accidental annoying reflector, to shroud off the reflections from some
> : glass you want to shoot through, to shroud your head and screen when
> : using an LCD in bright sunlight, ...
>
> or when it's as bald and reflective as mine is.
>
> : Dressing so as to be unobtrusive depends on the circumstances. At posh
> : events you can dress like the toffs to mingle or like an event
> : supporting employee to be ignored. At publicity seeking events all you
> : need to do is to dress like a photographer :-) In the wild military
> : style camouflage works best, and you mustn't forget to camouflage the
> : big white lens :-)
>
> As I've been walking my city lately taking stock photos for our new Web
> site,
> the following thought has occurred to me: if it bothers you to look
> ridiculous
> in public, you probably don't have much of a future as a photographer.
> :^|
>
> Bob

Perhaps, The flip side of that statement explains why I love the art so
much? ;)

Take Care,
Dudley


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