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From: Paul on 25 Jun 2010 04:13 JD wrote: <<some snips>> > > I have little interest in gaming and high computer speeds is not a > concern of mine. > My NetBook has 2GB of memory. It is also definitely faster than Win2K. > It can shut > down in about 5 seconds. It often takes Win2K 2 or more minutes to do that. I was referring to running executable programs. That part shouldn't be different. Yes, booting could be faster on Win7, due to some of the tricks they use now. Win2K is especially bad, when used in combination with some AV products, and on my old machine, it was about 5 minutes before the machine was responsive. That was boot time, plus 100% disk activity until the AV was satisfied. The AV was quite greedy - if the AV gets in a "knife fight" due to heuristic detection of suspicious activity, the machine locks right up. Now, that's effective protection :-) Knowing some innocent utility, and the AV are down there duking it out, and your keyboard doesn't work any more, is a good feeling... > > My NetBook has the usual hard disk - no solids yet. I had a thought this > evening > and would like to know whether there would be much effort involved. Suppose > I copied the present Win 7 (crippled, of course) to another drive. Then > delete > the present OS on NetBook and install Win2K on the C: drive, where Win 7 > is now. > Then install Win 7 on the D: drive. You think that would be easy? > >> Some day, you'll find a drop dead issue for Win2K, so keep an >> archival copy of whatever Win7 came with the netbook. > > No CD was provided with the drive but I have seen mentions of a backup > being present on the HD - how much of a backup is unknown to me right > now. I'll investigate that and whether I can copy it to my external > drive that is attached to the NetBook at present. Would copying the > present C: drive and pasting it into D: be possible, even if D: has a > greater size than C:? Another probably-very-far-fetched solution - swap > the C: and D: drives > :-) > > Thanks again Paul for all your efforts. It's much appreciated. > >> Have fun, >> Paul > > Fortunately I am not under great stress at this time, so playing with > computers is > a good challenge to the old grey matter in the lump on top :-) I would think that "recovery partition" is the biggest potential flaw in your plan. I don't know enough about Win7, to tell you what can be done with the contents. The objective is, to prevent you from reusing that software on another computer, so it won't necessarily be as good as a real Microsoft DVD. That recovery partition is one of the reasons I will not be buying a Dell/HP/Acer/Sony or the like, any time soon. When I bought a computer for a relative, part of the deal there, was it had to come with a real install CD. And it did. That is one of the reasons I did business with the company that I eventually chose, knowing I wouldn't be getting a recovery partition, and would be getting a regular installer. I've never had to use it, but if that machine needs a reinstall, all options will be open. I wouldn't be surprised to find that machine full of malware by now :-) Paul
From: Grinder on 25 Jun 2010 23:33 On 6/24/2010 7:02 PM, Paul wrote: > JD wrote: > >> >> Can you see any great advantages to keeping the Win 7? Not knowing >> much about this stripped down Win 7, I have no knowledge of what it >> can do that I would like. >> Certainly, wiping it and installing Win2K in its place would greatly >> simplify things. > > I think Win2K support stops in July or so. If you need any downloads > for it, get them *now* , as in today. The main advantage of Win7 is > it is still supported, you get security updates and so on. > > If you're going to run Win2K, make sure you have a copy of SP4 > downloaded and a copy of the rollup (came after the Service > Pack, but doesn't include all security updates). It's a relatively > small download, compared to a Service Pack. Having those two, > brings you mostly up to date. Windows Update will do the rest, but > not after the end of the month, when I think it'll no longer update > Win2K. There must be an exact date somewhere for Win2K, but I don't know > the day right off hand. That may not be a hard limit. A few months ago, I got windows update to serve some updates for Windows 98SE. Still, your suggestions are good advice.
From: JD on 26 Jun 2010 13:42 Paul wrote: > JD wrote: > > <<some snips>> > >> >> I have little interest in gaming and high computer speeds is not a >> concern of mine. >> My NetBook has 2GB of memory. It is also definitely faster than Win2K. >> It can shut >> down in about 5 seconds. It often takes Win2K 2 or more minutes to do >> that. > > I was referring to running executable programs. That part shouldn't > be different. > > Yes, booting could be faster on Win7, due to some of the tricks they use > now. Win2K is especially bad, when used in combination with some AV > products, > and on my old machine, it was about 5 minutes before the machine was > responsive. > That was boot time, plus 100% disk activity until the AV was satisfied. > The AV > was quite greedy - if the AV gets in a "knife fight" due to heuristic > detection > of suspicious activity, the machine locks right up. Now, that's effective > protection :-) Knowing some innocent utility, and the AV are down there > duking it out, and your keyboard doesn't work any more, is a good > feeling... Yes, I can see all those components throwing zeroes and ones at one another - a digital riot. :-) >> My NetBook has the usual hard disk - no solids yet. I had a thought >> this evening >> and would like to know whether there would be much effort involved. >> Suppose >> I copied the present Win 7 (crippled, of course) to another drive. >> Then delete >> the present OS on NetBook and install Win2K on the C: drive, where Win >> 7 is now. >> Then install Win 7 on the D: drive. You think that would be easy? >> >>> Some day, you'll find a drop dead issue for Win2K, so keep an >>> archival copy of whatever Win7 came with the netbook. >> >> No CD was provided with the drive but I have seen mentions of a backup >> being present on the HD - how much of a backup is unknown to me right >> now. I'll investigate that and whether I can copy it to my external >> drive that is attached to the NetBook at present. Would copying the >> present C: drive and pasting it into D: be possible, even if D: has a >> greater size than C:? Another probably-very-far-fetched solution - >> swap the C: and D: drives >> :-) I have sorted that one out. My external drive was too small when I learned that the space required for the Complete Backup of Win 7. It was an astonishing 21GB and I had to replace the drive. Now I have that backup on the external drive. I will contact Samsung and ask if there would be any problem putting Win2K on the C: drive and Win 7 on the D: drive. I have not seen any trace of the Win 7 OS number, like 5SYR3 1KFZ2, etc Last night I had the NetBook in a very quiet room and was astonished at the silence. I think your suggestion of it having a solid disk is very probaly true. >> Thanks again Paul for all your efforts. It's much appreciated. >> >>> Have fun, >>> Paul >> >> Fortunately I am not under great stress at this time, so playing with >> computers is >> a good challenge to the old grey matter in the lump on top :-) > > I would think that "recovery partition" is the biggest potential > flaw in your plan. I don't know enough about Win7, to tell you > what can be done with the contents. The objective is, to prevent > you from reusing that software on another computer, so it won't > necessarily be as good as a real Microsoft DVD. I would be using the Win7 only on that NetBook and I would guess that there will be times when those drives fail. In these cases a restoration of the backup to a new drive would be necessary, possibly another problem to come. > That recovery partition is one of the reasons I will not be buying > a Dell/HP/Acer/Sony or the like, any time soon. When I bought a > computer for a relative, part of the deal there, was it had to come > with a real install CD. And it did. That is one of the reasons > I did business with the company that I eventually chose, knowing > I wouldn't be getting a recovery partition, and would be getting > a regular installer. I've never had to use it, but if that machine > needs a reinstall, all options will be open. I wouldn't be surprised > to find that machine full of malware by now :-) I have had many computers in my "IT life." I bought one around 1983 and it had Windows 1.2, if I remember correctly. I bought Windows NT a few years later and in 1999 I bought the best of all - Win2K :-) Apart from that first computer, I built all others I have owned since then. Over and over I replaced components and very occasionally the case. That was by far the lowest-cost route to take. I always bought good branded products and never from HP About 5 years ago a friend, who had an HP machine, wanted to double the memory. By an odd chance I had bought the same amount of non-proprietary (Kingston) memory for my computer a few weeks before and the price of it was about 1/3 of HP's quote. I was surprised that no CD came with the NetBook and I guess that's M$'s way of limiting the pirating of the OS. Now I know that the backup image is all I have and I'll take this point up with Samsung, in particular the installation on another drive. > Paul Have a great weekend Paul, and don't forget to come to work Monday morning ;-) JD
From: mike on 6 Jul 2010 02:37 JD wrote: > GMAN wrote: >> In article <hvv0l2$aig$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, spamme0(a)go.com >> wrote: >>> JD wrote: >>>> What is the simplest software that would get them talking to one >>>> another? >>>> >>>> It seems that there are numerous ways to do this but lots of petty >>>> details to work on. >>>> >>>> Let's assume Windows OSs. >>>> >>>> TIA >>> Get a wireless router with a built-in wired ethernet switch. >>> Doesn't have to be wireless, but it's about the same price, >>> so might as well. >>> Virtually every garage sale has a router for sale. >>> They ask up to $15, but by the end of the day, an offer of >>> $1 will often snag one. >>> From there, it's almost automatic. Read the router manual. >>> Biggest issue is your firewall. Read the firewall manual. >> Most salvation army thrift stores or Savers stores will have tons of >> them for cheap. >> >> Hell, if this guy was local i'd give him my old WRT54GS Linksys > > Thank you JG, Mike and GMan. > > I don't know much about the Debian installer and I really have no > interest in > wireless electronics. I believe our bodies are being bombarded with too > many waves of many kinds and I doubt if that would do anything to > improve our health. Most likely it is the opposite. then click the configuration box that turns off the wireless part.
From: JD on 6 Jul 2010 19:54
mike wrote: > JD wrote: >> GMAN wrote: >>> In article <hvv0l2$aig$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, spamme0(a)go.com >>> wrote: >>>> JD wrote: >>>>> What is the simplest software that would get them talking to one >>>>> another? >>>>> >>>>> It seems that there are numerous ways to do this but lots of petty >>>>> details to work on. >>>>> >>>>> Let's assume Windows OSs. >>>>> >>>>> TIA >>>> Get a wireless router with a built-in wired ethernet switch. >>>> Doesn't have to be wireless, but it's about the same price, >>>> so might as well. >>>> Virtually every garage sale has a router for sale. >>>> They ask up to $15, but by the end of the day, an offer of >>>> $1 will often snag one. >>>> From there, it's almost automatic. Read the router manual. >>>> Biggest issue is your firewall. Read the firewall manual. >>> Most salvation army thrift stores or Savers stores will have tons of >>> them for cheap. >>> >>> Hell, if this guy was local i'd give him my old WRT54GS Linksys >> >> Thank you JG, Mike and GMan. >> >> I don't know much about the Debian installer and I really have no >> interest in >> wireless electronics. I believe our bodies are being bombarded with >> too many waves of many kinds and I doubt if that would do anything to >> improve our health. Most likely it is the opposite. > > then click the configuration box that turns off the wireless part. Thanks Mike but I have no wireless LAN router. I already have the LAN wired with a D-Link router and am very happy with it. However, I do confess that I have a problem making a stripped down Win 7 in a NetBook talk with Win2K on a regular computer. The hardware is in place and I spent an hour or more trying without any success. Since then I haven't had the time study the software. Win 7 is very foreign to me. |