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From: »Q« on 6 Mar 2010 21:08 In <news:Xns9D33C61B992Ebearbottoms1gmaicom(a)69.16.185.247>, Bear Bottoms <bearbottoms1(a)gmai.com> wrote: > KristleBawl <kristlebawl(a)some.email> wrote in > news:hmusiu$kdv$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > > > Internet Explorer is *not* freeware, it's a supplement to the > > Windows OS and bundled with the windows OS, except in the EU. It is > > available online as a download intended for upgrading or > > reinstalling on Windows OS computers by Windows OS customers. > > > These words are not the words in the EULA. The important words in the EULA, which you've snipped, were "You may not use it if you do not have a license for the software." > IE8 is free to use for those holding a valid license to the OS... And the license, as you know, currently retails for 200 USD (and more for uncrippled versions). You can buy IE8 cheaper than retail, of course, nearer the 100 USD range. > therefore it is freeware. Do you consider all the commercial software you've bought to be freeware, because you don't have to pay anything more to use it once you've bought it?
From: za kAT on 6 Mar 2010 21:15 On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 01:28:30 GMT, Bear Bottoms wrote: > The only > difference is MS does not authorize use of any of their software on any > other OS'. That does not make it payware or shareware. More like buying biscuits and getting an extra 25% FREE! Let's call it special offer ware! -- zakAT(a)pooh.the.cat
From: KristleBawl on 6 Mar 2010 21:49 Bear Bottoms expressed an opinion: > KristleBawl wrote: > >> Internet Explorer is *not* freeware, it's a supplement to the >> Windows OS and bundled with the windows OS, except in the EU. It is >> available online as a download intended for upgrading or >> reinstalling on Windows OS computers by Windows OS customers. >> > These words are not the words in the EULA. IE8 is free to use for > those holding a valid license to the OS...therefore it is freeware. > You do not have to purchase IE8 or any freeware offered by Ms. They > do require you to have a valid license to their operating system for > it's use. No different from any other Windows freeware, which if used > on a Windows OS, you are required to have a valid license for that > OS. The only difference is MS does not authorize use of any of their > software on any other OS'. That does not make it payware or > shareware. No, those were my words, added after the quote. I forgot to indicate exactly where the quoted text began and ended. The part you quoted above is and was only my opinion, based on the continued availability of IE as a download. ;-) -- Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things. - George Carlin KristleBawl's Taglines by Tagzilla 0.066.2 http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla Instabird development http://www.instantbird.com/
From: Craig on 7 Mar 2010 01:59 On 03/06/2010 05:50 PM, Bear Bottoms wrote: > Craig<netburgher(a)REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in news:hmuv3p$6c7$1 > @news.eternal-september.org: > >> On 03/06/2010 05:17 PM, Bear Bottoms wrote: >>> =?UTF-8?B?wrtRwqs=?=<boxcars(a)gmx.net> wrote in >>> news:20100306173915.5bc0de78(a)bellgrove.remarqs.net: >>> >>>> In<news:hmuaok$tc6$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>, >>>> Craig<netburgher(a)REMOVEgmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 03/06/2010 10:18 AM, Phil wrote: >>>>>> Ive never YET found any freeware that needed a "liscenced Windows" >>>>> >>>>> Internet Explorer, e.g. >>>> >>>> Since that's not freeware, Phil still hasn't yet found any. ;) >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Will you admit that you are one of the forgers Craig...before I expose >>> you? >> >> You've been smoking your own merchandise boy. >> > > That's really funny. Touched a nerve eh. So let's get this straight...you > are saying you have only posted in this forum as Craig. > It's on you, BB. You make the allegation. "Expose me." -- -Craig
From: KristleBawl on 7 Mar 2010 10:13
Bear Bottoms expressed an opinion: > KristleBawl wrote: >> Bear Bottoms expressed an opinion: >>> KristleBawl wrote: >>> >>>> Internet Explorer is *not* freeware, it's a supplement to the >>>> Windows OS and bundled with the windows OS, except in the EU. >>>> It is available online as a download intended for upgrading or >>>> reinstalling on Windows OS computers by Windows OS customers. >>>> >>> These words are not the words in the EULA. IE8 is free to use >>> for those holding a valid license to the OS...therefore it is >>> freeware. You do not have to purchase IE8 or any freeware offered >>> by Ms. They do require you to have a valid license to their >>> operating system for it's use. No different from any other >>> Windows freeware, which if used on a Windows OS, you are required >>> to have a valid license for that OS. The only difference is MS >>> does not authorize use of any of their software on any other OS'. >>> That does not make it payware or shareware. >> >> No, those were my words, added after the quote. I forgot to >> indicate exactly where the quoted text began and ended. The part >> you quoted above is and was only my opinion, based on the continued >> availability of IE as a download. ;-) > > I know...and you were wrong. I explained why. You know I agree with you on a lot of points. This particular issue, Internet Explorer, I happen to disagree. That doesn't make you or me wrong. We just have different opinions. The IE8 EULA on my computer states that IE8 is a *supplement* to Windows OS, therefore not freeware. It has been bundled into all versions of Windows for many years. Only since the EU forced MS to offer choices has this become an issue. Other MS freeware programs are still freeware, because there are not exclusively bundled into Windows OS with downloaded upgrades. Internet Explorer, Windows Defender and MS Office products are all updated through Windows Update and verified by MS (WGA?), therefore, controlled by MS, to some degree. Although IE is included at no extra charge, it is bundled into Vista and upgraded through Windows Update. Outside the EU, this is still true in Windows 7. -- "11" - there's my two bits' worth. KristleBawl's Taglines by Tagzilla 0.066.2 http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla Instabird development http://www.instantbird.com/ |