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From: kwalger on 3 Feb 2010 09:39 On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 10:38:52 +0000, Bear Bottoms wrote: > kwalger <none(a)invalid.com> wrote in > news:Gfmdneo0SO7qR_XWnZ2dnUVZ_o9i4p2d(a)supernews.com: > >> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:18:26 +0000, Bear Bottoms wrote: >> >>> Craig <netburgher(a)REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in >>> news:hkaeg6$vu1$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: >>> >>>> On 02/02/2010 03:43 PM, KristleBawl wrote: >>>>> Craig expressed an opinion: >>>>>> On 02/02/2010 02:29 PM, KristleBawl wrote: >>>>>>> There are a few programs that you can get for Windows that are > free, >>>>>>> *after* you already paid for Windows. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not free. You must pay the MS Windows user's license to run them. >>>>>> People happily run all sorts of truly free software apps*, written >>>>>> for MS Windows, but in Linux and FreeBSD and others. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is because these *freeware* writers do not make legal >>>>>> requirements that you buy MS Windows. >> >> Or as I like to put it, either it's equally free to all or it isn't >> freeware. >> >> >>>>> Okay, so let me see if I understand you. If I already bought and > paid >>>>> for genuine Windows OEM on a new computer, then any freeware I > install >>>>> is only freeware if it is *not* also made by Microsoft? >>>> >>>> I gave you a perfect example in IE. It is easy to run IE w/o > Windows. >>>> Microsoft requires you to pay for a Windows license to use IE. Ergo, >>>> IE is not freeware. >>>> >>>> Firefox, Chrome, Safari are all freeware. They do not require the >>>> purchase of something to use them. >>>> >>>> As far as your counter-examples, their EULAs will tell you whether > they >>>> are freeware: namely, free of any requirement to buy Windows to run >>>> them. >>>> >>>> >>> No Craig...simply no. It is freeware. I'll give you a simpler >>> example...you buy my radio. I will give you part free of cost to make >>> repairs or replacements. If you use any other parts, warranty is void. >>> The parts are still free. These arguments are stupid. >> >> Are you willing to give everyone else those parts for free even though >> they didn't buy anything from you? If not then those parts aren't >> "freeware". >> >>> Microsoft offers freeware to use on their OS. That they legally >>> require you to use their freeware on their computer >> ~~~~~ >> Freudian slip? :-) >> >>> does not make it payware or shareware. It is an intended limitation >>> of use for capitalistic purpose. It is still freeware. >> >> If the EULA requires *anyone* to pay money to use it, then it isn't >> freeware. >> >> >> > Craig...do you see where such a ridiculous discussion goes. You claim that if SOME people get a program for free, that makes it freeware. Well, Microsoft goves Windows away for free to third-party evaluators, developers, and tech support people. Therefore, Windows is freeware because SOME people get it for free. Hence, my assertion that it must free to all, not just some select group.
From: Spamblk on 3 Feb 2010 12:26 Craig <netburgher(a)REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in news:hkb398$f89$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: <SNIP...> >> Multi-platform freeware is available for many Operating Systems, not >> just windows *or* Mac, etc.. One example is MtPaint (has a good conversion from RGB to Indexed IMHO) a Linux/Unix GTK application also available for Windows and in my view practically no difference under either OS. From http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/mtPaint-Download-41263.html : mtPaint is a simple painting software developed from : scratch so you can easily create pixel art and : manipulate digital photos.mtPaint uses the GTK+ : toolkit (version 1 or 2) and runs on PC's via the : GNU/Linux or Windows operating systems. Because of : its simplicity it can also run on older PC hardware : (e.g. a 200MHz CPU and 32MB of RAM). By default it : is in the English language.
From: George Orwell on 3 Feb 2010 13:28 Bear Bottoms wrote: > "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster(a)remailer.privacy.at> wrote in > news:31afa6e570367ba353231fc49e16dce2(a)remailer.privacy.at: > > >> KristleBawl wrote: >> >>> Okay, so let me see if I understand you. If I already bought and paid >>> for genuine Windows OEM on a new computer, then any freeware I install >>> is only freeware if it is *not* also made by Microsoft? >> >> NO! >> >> It's only free if it's not a legal requirement that said software be >> RUN in said environment. That exacts a cost. If it's perfectly legal to >> run the software under Wine, just as an example, then the software >> exacts no cost itself REGARDLESS of whether you're a licensed Window$ >> owner or a Wine user. >> >> Can you grasp the difference yet? >> > All software has non-monetary costs. More irrelevant grasping at straws. You can't even actually *address* the above paragraph, can you Bottoms? You lost. Grow enough adulthood to just admit you're wrong, for a change. Il mittente di questo messaggio|The sender address of this non corrisponde ad un utente |message is not related to a real reale ma all'indirizzo fittizio|person but to a fake address of an di un sistema anonimizzatore |anonymous system Per maggiori informazioni |For more info https://www.mixmaster.it
From: Non scrivetemi on 3 Feb 2010 13:41 Bear Bottoms wrote: > Craig <netburgher(a)REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in > news:hkao64$fr0$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > >> On 02/02/2010 06:23 PM, KristleBawl wrote: >>> I agree that IE is not freeware and I said right along I was not >>> talking about IE. *You* brought up IE in this thread. >> >> Ok. Good. >> >>> There are *other* apps >>> listed in the OP link that *are* freeware, but not very many. Only the >>> ones that are *not* bundled, even though they are only offered /to >>> Windows users/ as freeware. >> >> Whether they're freeware would depend on the licensing. Same as with >> IE. >> >>> As a Windows user, I cannot install Mac or Linux freeware apps... >> >> Oh yes, you can. Often that's because a lot of their apps are written >> to libraries which are cross-platform. Consider this partial list from >> Wikipedia. GTK apps: >> >> * AbiWord - Word processor >> * CinePaint >> * Ekiga (ex GnomeMeeting) - VoIP and video conferencing >> application * Evolution - personal information manager * GIMP - >> Raster graphics editor >> * Gnumeric - Spreadsheet software >> * Chromium - Web browser based upon WebKit * GRAMPS - Genealogy >> software >> * Inkscape - SVG Vector graphics editor * K-3D - free 3d modeling >> and animation program * Marionnet - An interactive network >> simulator * Midori - lightweight web browser >> * Nero Linux - An optical disc media authoring program * Pidgin - >> Instant messaging >> * VMware Player - virtualization software * Wireshark - packet >> analyzer >> >> A lot of these and more besides were written by *nix users for *nix. >> But the communities grew to include other platforms. So yes, you can >> install a lot of Linux (can't say much about OSX) apps. >> >>> but that doesn't make them not freeware. >> >> I agree. >> >>> You can't have it both ways. If >>> you insist that Windows freeware is not freeware because you have to >>> buy Windows, then you might as well say Mac freeware is not freeware, >>> either, because you have to buy a Mac. >> >> Again, that would depend on the application's license. There is no >> "both ways" about this. >> >>> Linux isn't freeware, either, >>> because you have to buy the hardware to install it on. >> >> Well, that's a separate and distinct topic. >> >> > No it isn't. Yeah, it is. You do NOT have to buy hardware to run freeware. You can download a copy and install it on as many free, stolen, borrowed, or made- from-scratch systems as your little heart desires. Because it's *free*. Micro$oft doesn't allow that. They *demand* that each and every copy of their "freeware" be installed in conjunction with a seperately paid for purchase of Window$.
From: Non scrivetemi on 3 Feb 2010 13:41
Bear Bottoms wrote: > Dave U. Random <anonymous(a)anonymitaet-im-inter.net> wrote in > news:078bc1bde1c56580d9780ff740157e07(a)anonymitaet-im-inter.net: > >> KristleBawl wrote: >> >>> Craig expressed an opinion: >>>> On 02/02/2010 10:37 AM, KristleBawl wrote: >>>> >>>>> The point is that Microsoft freeware is written for Windows users >>>> >>>> No. Again, IE and other such products aren't freeware. >>>> >>>> The illustration I posted shows software, published by Microsoft, > which >>>> may be run on Windows and, via WINE, on Linux and FreeBSD and other >>>> OSes. There is no technical barrier. However, you can only install IE >>>> "If you are licensed to use Microsoft Windows..." >>>> >>>> IOW, these are legal restrictions which require(d) payment: i.e. MS >>>> Windows license fees. I cannot legally use this software without > doing >>>> so. >>>> >>>> This may seem to be inconsequential to you when discussing what is >>>> "free" but, in my case, I bought MS Windows so that I could legally > use >>>> Internet Explorer. Hence, IE is not freeware. >>>> >>>> fwiw, >>> >>> I'm not talking about the programs bundled into Windows, such as IE. >> >> Uh, dimbulb... IE *isn't* "bundled into Window$" it's available as a >> standalone application. In fact there's a package that actually > installs >> and configures the official IE package for use under Wine. Much to >> Microsloth's chagrin. >> >> *snicker* >> >> > So you are illegally using Windows software in Linux...tsk tsk. I No, I said the installer exists. Thus your pathetic "look at the crook" straw grab is shown for exactly what it is. But thank you for allowing me to fluster you enough that you conceded the argument by acknowledging the *illegality* of running something like IE without a separately purchased copy of Window$ for each and every installed instance. > actually like the idea that if you go to a different OS, you can't > legally use MS software. There are plenty of good reasons why. > > A price you pay for moving to an inferior OS. If there were a superior > OS, you wouldn't need to cop another OS's software or figure out how to *laugh* Not even a good attempt at trying to deflect the beating you're being given by trying to make this another OS wars thread. Sorry loser, I'll not be playing your childish games today. |