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From: J. Clarke on 28 Jul 2010 19:20 On 7/28/2010 4:08 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: > "J. Clarke"<jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message > news:i2q28r02126(a)news1.newsguy.com... >> On 7/28/2010 1:27 PM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote: >>> "Bob La Londe"<nospam(a)nospam.no> fired this volley in news:i2posm$35v$1 >>> @news.eternal-september.org: >>> >>>> Ok, I'll bite. Is it really free? >>>> >>>> Is it time limited or executions limited? >>>> >>>> Is it share ware? >>>> >>>> Is it cripple ware? >>>> >>>> I visited the page and noticed there is "PD Sales" link, but no price. >>> >>> I noticed it's "dino-ware". It runs under DOS with VESA drivers, for >>> criminy sake! >>> >>> It sounds like a 1980s platform that someone has been performing >>> artificial respiration on; has kept adding to and "improving" it without >>> ever adding any abstraction layers. He even states that it "talks >>> directly to devices". >>> >>> That might make it very fast and capable of driving hardware accurately, >>> but would also make it impossible to keep up-to-date, and would tend to >>> keep the interface so very primitive as to scare off almost everybody but >>> die-hard hardware types. >>> >>> I know none of this for sure, having not run it. But it looks from the >>> docs to be very primitive. >>> >>> Besides, I don't have any old 8088-based DOS3.1 machines to run it on >>> <G>. >> >> FWIW, the last file date is some time in 1999. Vista 64-bit won't even >> try to run it, however it might run on a virtual machine. >> >> Also FWIW, if somebody wants dino-ware CAD and can find a copy, Cadkey put >> their final DOS version up on their web site one year as a Christmas >> present to their customers--no strings whatsoever for free. Alas I lost >> my copy back before I learned to keep good backups. For its time that was >> a sweet piece of software. > > I think I still have my copy, but no floppy-disk drive from which to load > it. This discussion brings back memories. I used to moonlight in a strip mall cloneworks that was downstairs from Cadkey--much of the early development was done on machines that I built--I don't claim that that was due to any particular superiority to my construction, but proximity makes up for a multitude of sins. Still remember Peter's black Saab with license number C-HACKR parked out front. In the day job I was using it to develop structural models that were fed into a finite element program--IIRC I had it programmed to generate the input file directly from the geometry.
From: Michael A. Terrell on 29 Jul 2010 04:18 "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" wrote: > > "Bob La Londe" <nospam(a)nospam.no> fired this volley in news:i2posm$35v$1 > @news.eternal-september.org: > > > Ok, I'll bite. Is it really free? > > > > Is it time limited or executions limited? > > > > Is it share ware? > > > > Is it cripple ware? > > > > I visited the page and noticed there is "PD Sales" link, but no price. > > I noticed it's "dino-ware". It runs under DOS with VESA drivers, for > criminy sake! > > It sounds like a 1980s platform that someone has been performing > artificial respiration on; has kept adding to and "improving" it without > ever adding any abstraction layers. He even states that it "talks > directly to devices". > > That might make it very fast and capable of driving hardware accurately, > but would also make it impossible to keep up-to-date, and would tend to > keep the interface so very primitive as to scare off almost everybody but > die-hard hardware types. > > I know none of this for sure, having not run it. But it looks from the > docs to be very primitive. > > Besides, I don't have any old 8088-based DOS3.1 machines to run it on > <G>. How many do you want? -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
From: Lloyd E. Sponenburgh on 29 Jul 2010 07:57 "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> fired this volley in news:OuidnSKVl_7-pMzRnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com: > How many do you want? Not any, thanks. I'm much happier (and I think safer and more "maintainable") running my machine duties on Linux. LLoyd
From: Ed Huntress on 29 Jul 2010 09:17 "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message news:i2qebr01r7(a)news4.newsguy.com... > On 7/28/2010 4:08 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: >> "J. Clarke"<jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message >> news:i2q28r02126(a)news1.newsguy.com... >>> On 7/28/2010 1:27 PM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote: >>>> "Bob La Londe"<nospam(a)nospam.no> fired this volley in >>>> news:i2posm$35v$1 >>>> @news.eternal-september.org: >>>> >>>>> Ok, I'll bite. Is it really free? >>>>> >>>>> Is it time limited or executions limited? >>>>> >>>>> Is it share ware? >>>>> >>>>> Is it cripple ware? >>>>> >>>>> I visited the page and noticed there is "PD Sales" link, but no price. >>>> >>>> I noticed it's "dino-ware". It runs under DOS with VESA drivers, for >>>> criminy sake! >>>> >>>> It sounds like a 1980s platform that someone has been performing >>>> artificial respiration on; has kept adding to and "improving" it >>>> without >>>> ever adding any abstraction layers. He even states that it "talks >>>> directly to devices". >>>> >>>> That might make it very fast and capable of driving hardware >>>> accurately, >>>> but would also make it impossible to keep up-to-date, and would tend to >>>> keep the interface so very primitive as to scare off almost everybody >>>> but >>>> die-hard hardware types. >>>> >>>> I know none of this for sure, having not run it. But it looks from the >>>> docs to be very primitive. >>>> >>>> Besides, I don't have any old 8088-based DOS3.1 machines to run it on >>>> <G>. >>> >>> FWIW, the last file date is some time in 1999. Vista 64-bit won't even >>> try to run it, however it might run on a virtual machine. >>> >>> Also FWIW, if somebody wants dino-ware CAD and can find a copy, Cadkey >>> put >>> their final DOS version up on their web site one year as a Christmas >>> present to their customers--no strings whatsoever for free. Alas I lost >>> my copy back before I learned to keep good backups. For its time that >>> was >>> a sweet piece of software. >> >> I think I still have my copy, but no floppy-disk drive from which to load >> it. > > This discussion brings back memories. > > I used to moonlight in a strip mall cloneworks that was downstairs from > Cadkey--much of the early development was done on machines that I built--I > don't claim that that was due to any particular superiority to my > construction, but proximity makes up for a multitude of sins. > > Still remember Peter's black Saab with license number C-HACKR parked out > front. > > In the day job I was using it to develop structural models that were fed > into a finite element program--IIRC I had it programmed to generate the > input file directly from the geometry. That must have been energizing, and pretty exciting, work. Finite element analysis was a revolution. -- Ed Huntress
From: J. Clarke on 29 Jul 2010 13:18 On 7/29/2010 9:17 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: > "J. Clarke"<jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message > news:i2qebr01r7(a)news4.newsguy.com... >> On 7/28/2010 4:08 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: >>> "J. Clarke"<jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message >>> news:i2q28r02126(a)news1.newsguy.com... >>>> On 7/28/2010 1:27 PM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote: >>>>> "Bob La Londe"<nospam(a)nospam.no> fired this volley in >>>>> news:i2posm$35v$1 >>>>> @news.eternal-september.org: >>>>> >>>>>> Ok, I'll bite. Is it really free? >>>>>> >>>>>> Is it time limited or executions limited? >>>>>> >>>>>> Is it share ware? >>>>>> >>>>>> Is it cripple ware? >>>>>> >>>>>> I visited the page and noticed there is "PD Sales" link, but no price. >>>>> >>>>> I noticed it's "dino-ware". It runs under DOS with VESA drivers, for >>>>> criminy sake! >>>>> >>>>> It sounds like a 1980s platform that someone has been performing >>>>> artificial respiration on; has kept adding to and "improving" it >>>>> without >>>>> ever adding any abstraction layers. He even states that it "talks >>>>> directly to devices". >>>>> >>>>> That might make it very fast and capable of driving hardware >>>>> accurately, >>>>> but would also make it impossible to keep up-to-date, and would tend to >>>>> keep the interface so very primitive as to scare off almost everybody >>>>> but >>>>> die-hard hardware types. >>>>> >>>>> I know none of this for sure, having not run it. But it looks from the >>>>> docs to be very primitive. >>>>> >>>>> Besides, I don't have any old 8088-based DOS3.1 machines to run it on >>>>> <G>. >>>> >>>> FWIW, the last file date is some time in 1999. Vista 64-bit won't even >>>> try to run it, however it might run on a virtual machine. >>>> >>>> Also FWIW, if somebody wants dino-ware CAD and can find a copy, Cadkey >>>> put >>>> their final DOS version up on their web site one year as a Christmas >>>> present to their customers--no strings whatsoever for free. Alas I lost >>>> my copy back before I learned to keep good backups. For its time that >>>> was >>>> a sweet piece of software. >>> >>> I think I still have my copy, but no floppy-disk drive from which to load >>> it. >> >> This discussion brings back memories. >> >> I used to moonlight in a strip mall cloneworks that was downstairs from >> Cadkey--much of the early development was done on machines that I built--I >> don't claim that that was due to any particular superiority to my >> construction, but proximity makes up for a multitude of sins. >> >> Still remember Peter's black Saab with license number C-HACKR parked out >> front. >> >> In the day job I was using it to develop structural models that were fed >> into a finite element program--IIRC I had it programmed to generate the >> input file directly from the geometry. > > That must have been energizing, and pretty exciting, work. Finite element > analysis was a revolution. It was fun, been more if I'd had a clue what I was doing.
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