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From: Ed Huntress on 29 Jul 2010 14:14 "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message news:i2sdqt011oq(a)news1.newsguy.com... > On 7/29/2010 9:17 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: >> "J. Clarke"<jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message >> news:i2qebr01r7(a)news4.newsguy.com... >>> On 7/28/2010 4:08 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: >>>> "J. Clarke"<jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message >>>> news:i2q28r02126(a)news1.newsguy.com... >>>>> On 7/28/2010 1:27 PM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote: >>>>>> "Bob La Londe"<nospam(a)nospam.no> fired this volley in >>>>>> news:i2posm$35v$1 >>>>>> @news.eternal-september.org: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok, I'll bite. Is it really free? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is it time limited or executions limited? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is it share ware? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is it cripple ware? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I visited the page and noticed there is "PD Sales" link, but no >>>>>>> price. >>>>>> >>>>>> I noticed it's "dino-ware". It runs under DOS with VESA drivers, for >>>>>> criminy sake! >>>>>> >>>>>> It sounds like a 1980s platform that someone has been performing >>>>>> artificial respiration on; has kept adding to and "improving" it >>>>>> without >>>>>> ever adding any abstraction layers. He even states that it "talks >>>>>> directly to devices". >>>>>> >>>>>> That might make it very fast and capable of driving hardware >>>>>> accurately, >>>>>> but would also make it impossible to keep up-to-date, and would tend >>>>>> to >>>>>> keep the interface so very primitive as to scare off almost everybody >>>>>> but >>>>>> die-hard hardware types. >>>>>> >>>>>> I know none of this for sure, having not run it. But it looks from >>>>>> the >>>>>> docs to be very primitive. >>>>>> >>>>>> Besides, I don't have any old 8088-based DOS3.1 machines to run it on >>>>>> <G>. >>>>> >>>>> FWIW, the last file date is some time in 1999. Vista 64-bit won't >>>>> even >>>>> try to run it, however it might run on a virtual machine. >>>>> >>>>> Also FWIW, if somebody wants dino-ware CAD and can find a copy, Cadkey >>>>> put >>>>> their final DOS version up on their web site one year as a Christmas >>>>> present to their customers--no strings whatsoever for free. Alas I >>>>> lost >>>>> my copy back before I learned to keep good backups. For its time that >>>>> was >>>>> a sweet piece of software. >>>> >>>> I think I still have my copy, but no floppy-disk drive from which to >>>> load >>>> it. >>> >>> This discussion brings back memories. >>> >>> I used to moonlight in a strip mall cloneworks that was downstairs from >>> Cadkey--much of the early development was done on machines that I >>> built--I >>> don't claim that that was due to any particular superiority to my >>> construction, but proximity makes up for a multitude of sins. >>> >>> Still remember Peter's black Saab with license number C-HACKR parked out >>> front. >>> >>> In the day job I was using it to develop structural models that were fed >>> into a finite element program--IIRC I had it programmed to generate the >>> input file directly from the geometry. >> >> That must have been energizing, and pretty exciting, work. Finite element >> analysis was a revolution. > > It was fun, been more if I'd had a clue what I was doing. Ha-ha! Yes, that usually helps. It's easier for writers. I've written more than I really know about respiratory diseases and endocrinology, for example. Keep in mind that your doctor may have read what I wrote. <g> -- Ed Huntress
From: J. Clarke on 29 Jul 2010 17:11 On 7/29/2010 2:14 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: > "J. Clarke"<jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message > news:i2sdqt011oq(a)news1.newsguy.com... >> On 7/29/2010 9:17 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: >>> "J. Clarke"<jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message >>> news:i2qebr01r7(a)news4.newsguy.com... >>>> On 7/28/2010 4:08 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: >>>>> "J. Clarke"<jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:i2q28r02126(a)news1.newsguy.com... >>>>>> On 7/28/2010 1:27 PM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote: >>>>>>> "Bob La Londe"<nospam(a)nospam.no> fired this volley in >>>>>>> news:i2posm$35v$1 >>>>>>> @news.eternal-september.org: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ok, I'll bite. Is it really free? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is it time limited or executions limited? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is it share ware? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is it cripple ware? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I visited the page and noticed there is "PD Sales" link, but no >>>>>>>> price. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I noticed it's "dino-ware". It runs under DOS with VESA drivers, for >>>>>>> criminy sake! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It sounds like a 1980s platform that someone has been performing >>>>>>> artificial respiration on; has kept adding to and "improving" it >>>>>>> without >>>>>>> ever adding any abstraction layers. He even states that it "talks >>>>>>> directly to devices". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That might make it very fast and capable of driving hardware >>>>>>> accurately, >>>>>>> but would also make it impossible to keep up-to-date, and would tend >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> keep the interface so very primitive as to scare off almost everybody >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> die-hard hardware types. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know none of this for sure, having not run it. But it looks from >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> docs to be very primitive. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Besides, I don't have any old 8088-based DOS3.1 machines to run it on >>>>>>> <G>. >>>>>> >>>>>> FWIW, the last file date is some time in 1999. Vista 64-bit won't >>>>>> even >>>>>> try to run it, however it might run on a virtual machine. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also FWIW, if somebody wants dino-ware CAD and can find a copy, Cadkey >>>>>> put >>>>>> their final DOS version up on their web site one year as a Christmas >>>>>> present to their customers--no strings whatsoever for free. Alas I >>>>>> lost >>>>>> my copy back before I learned to keep good backups. For its time that >>>>>> was >>>>>> a sweet piece of software. >>>>> >>>>> I think I still have my copy, but no floppy-disk drive from which to >>>>> load >>>>> it. >>>> >>>> This discussion brings back memories. >>>> >>>> I used to moonlight in a strip mall cloneworks that was downstairs from >>>> Cadkey--much of the early development was done on machines that I >>>> built--I >>>> don't claim that that was due to any particular superiority to my >>>> construction, but proximity makes up for a multitude of sins. >>>> >>>> Still remember Peter's black Saab with license number C-HACKR parked out >>>> front. >>>> >>>> In the day job I was using it to develop structural models that were fed >>>> into a finite element program--IIRC I had it programmed to generate the >>>> input file directly from the geometry. >>> >>> That must have been energizing, and pretty exciting, work. Finite element >>> analysis was a revolution. >> >> It was fun, been more if I'd had a clue what I was doing. > > Ha-ha! Yes, that usually helps. It's easier for writers. I've written more > than I really know about respiratory diseases and endocrinology, for > example. Keep in mind that your doctor may have read what I wrote.<g> Friend of mine's a pulmonologist. Anything I should warn him about?
From: Ed Huntress on 29 Jul 2010 18:04 "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message news:i2ss4402d0m(a)news5.newsguy.com... > On 7/29/2010 2:14 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: >> "J. Clarke"<jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message >> news:i2sdqt011oq(a)news1.newsguy.com... >>> On 7/29/2010 9:17 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: >>>> "J. Clarke"<jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message >>>> news:i2qebr01r7(a)news4.newsguy.com... >>>>> On 7/28/2010 4:08 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: >>>>>> "J. Clarke"<jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:i2q28r02126(a)news1.newsguy.com... >>>>>>> On 7/28/2010 1:27 PM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote: >>>>>>>> "Bob La Londe"<nospam(a)nospam.no> fired this volley in >>>>>>>> news:i2posm$35v$1 >>>>>>>> @news.eternal-september.org: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ok, I'll bite. Is it really free? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is it time limited or executions limited? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is it share ware? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is it cripple ware? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I visited the page and noticed there is "PD Sales" link, but no >>>>>>>>> price. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I noticed it's "dino-ware". It runs under DOS with VESA drivers, >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> criminy sake! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It sounds like a 1980s platform that someone has been performing >>>>>>>> artificial respiration on; has kept adding to and "improving" it >>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>> ever adding any abstraction layers. He even states that it "talks >>>>>>>> directly to devices". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That might make it very fast and capable of driving hardware >>>>>>>> accurately, >>>>>>>> but would also make it impossible to keep up-to-date, and would >>>>>>>> tend >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> keep the interface so very primitive as to scare off almost >>>>>>>> everybody >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> die-hard hardware types. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know none of this for sure, having not run it. But it looks from >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> docs to be very primitive. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Besides, I don't have any old 8088-based DOS3.1 machines to run it >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> <G>. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> FWIW, the last file date is some time in 1999. Vista 64-bit won't >>>>>>> even >>>>>>> try to run it, however it might run on a virtual machine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also FWIW, if somebody wants dino-ware CAD and can find a copy, >>>>>>> Cadkey >>>>>>> put >>>>>>> their final DOS version up on their web site one year as a Christmas >>>>>>> present to their customers--no strings whatsoever for free. Alas I >>>>>>> lost >>>>>>> my copy back before I learned to keep good backups. For its time >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> a sweet piece of software. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think I still have my copy, but no floppy-disk drive from which to >>>>>> load >>>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> This discussion brings back memories. >>>>> >>>>> I used to moonlight in a strip mall cloneworks that was downstairs >>>>> from >>>>> Cadkey--much of the early development was done on machines that I >>>>> built--I >>>>> don't claim that that was due to any particular superiority to my >>>>> construction, but proximity makes up for a multitude of sins. >>>>> >>>>> Still remember Peter's black Saab with license number C-HACKR parked >>>>> out >>>>> front. >>>>> >>>>> In the day job I was using it to develop structural models that were >>>>> fed >>>>> into a finite element program--IIRC I had it programmed to generate >>>>> the >>>>> input file directly from the geometry. >>>> >>>> That must have been energizing, and pretty exciting, work. Finite >>>> element >>>> analysis was a revolution. >>> >>> It was fun, been more if I'd had a clue what I was doing. >> >> Ha-ha! Yes, that usually helps. It's easier for writers. I've written >> more >> than I really know about respiratory diseases and endocrinology, for >> example. Keep in mind that your doctor may have read what I wrote.<g> > > Friend of mine's a pulmonologist. Anything I should warn him about? Nothing from my keyboard. <g> This is a bit of a joke in the business. Everything I wrote was scrutinized by medical experts, including editors with medical degrees (often MDs) and the medical, legal, and regulatory review boards of the pharmaceutical companies that were my clients. I didn't just make it all up, although that could have been fun... -- Ed Huntress
From: Michael A. Terrell on 29 Jul 2010 18:30 "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" wrote: > > "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> fired this volley in > news:OuidnSKVl_7-pMzRnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com: > > > How many do you want? > > Not any, thanks. I'm much happier (and I think safer and more > "maintainable") running my machine duties on Linux. When was the last time anyone saw a virus for DOS? :) -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
From: Lloyd E. Sponenburgh on 29 Jul 2010 18:49 "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> fired this volley in news:2q2dnTCLwsm9nM_RnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com: > > When was the last time anyone saw a virus for DOS? :) When was the last time anyone CARED? Dos had a whole repertoire of its own built-in, permanently disastrous bugs. Mr. Gates never cared for his users or from whom he stole the base operating system. Why should we pine for unreliable, pirated software? (BSOD ring any bells? Small and spaghetti'd-up isn't much better than big and spaghetti'd up, except you waste less storage backing it up.) LLoyd
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