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From: Cliff on 28 Jul 2010 08:28 http://www.4dgraphics.net/ "Click here to download 4Design for FREE!"
From: Bob La Londe on 28 Jul 2010 13:20 "Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat(a)aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message news:mf8056pfu5bfghu4pph8a7242tsmoqgi21(a)4ax.com... > http://www.4dgraphics.net/ > "Click here to download 4Design for FREE!" Ok, I'll bite. Is it really free? Is it time limited or executions limited? Is it share ware? Is it cripple ware? I visited the page and noticed there is "PD Sales" link, but no price.
From: Lloyd E. Sponenburgh on 28 Jul 2010 13:27 "Bob La Londe" <nospam(a)nospam.no> fired this volley in news:i2posm$35v$1 @news.eternal-september.org: > Ok, I'll bite. Is it really free? > > Is it time limited or executions limited? > > Is it share ware? > > Is it cripple ware? > > I visited the page and noticed there is "PD Sales" link, but no price. I noticed it's "dino-ware". It runs under DOS with VESA drivers, for criminy sake! It sounds like a 1980s platform that someone has been performing artificial respiration on; has kept adding to and "improving" it without ever adding any abstraction layers. He even states that it "talks directly to devices". That might make it very fast and capable of driving hardware accurately, but would also make it impossible to keep up-to-date, and would tend to keep the interface so very primitive as to scare off almost everybody but die-hard hardware types. I know none of this for sure, having not run it. But it looks from the docs to be very primitive. Besides, I don't have any old 8088-based DOS3.1 machines to run it on <G>. LLoyd LLoyd
From: J. Clarke on 28 Jul 2010 15:40 On 7/28/2010 1:27 PM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote: > "Bob La Londe"<nospam(a)nospam.no> fired this volley in news:i2posm$35v$1 > @news.eternal-september.org: > >> Ok, I'll bite. Is it really free? >> >> Is it time limited or executions limited? >> >> Is it share ware? >> >> Is it cripple ware? >> >> I visited the page and noticed there is "PD Sales" link, but no price. > > I noticed it's "dino-ware". It runs under DOS with VESA drivers, for > criminy sake! > > It sounds like a 1980s platform that someone has been performing > artificial respiration on; has kept adding to and "improving" it without > ever adding any abstraction layers. He even states that it "talks > directly to devices". > > That might make it very fast and capable of driving hardware accurately, > but would also make it impossible to keep up-to-date, and would tend to > keep the interface so very primitive as to scare off almost everybody but > die-hard hardware types. > > I know none of this for sure, having not run it. But it looks from the > docs to be very primitive. > > Besides, I don't have any old 8088-based DOS3.1 machines to run it on > <G>. FWIW, the last file date is some time in 1999. Vista 64-bit won't even try to run it, however it might run on a virtual machine. Also FWIW, if somebody wants dino-ware CAD and can find a copy, Cadkey put their final DOS version up on their web site one year as a Christmas present to their customers--no strings whatsoever for free. Alas I lost my copy back before I learned to keep good backups. For its time that was a sweet piece of software.
From: Ed Huntress on 28 Jul 2010 16:08 "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message news:i2q28r02126(a)news1.newsguy.com... > On 7/28/2010 1:27 PM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote: >> "Bob La Londe"<nospam(a)nospam.no> fired this volley in news:i2posm$35v$1 >> @news.eternal-september.org: >> >>> Ok, I'll bite. Is it really free? >>> >>> Is it time limited or executions limited? >>> >>> Is it share ware? >>> >>> Is it cripple ware? >>> >>> I visited the page and noticed there is "PD Sales" link, but no price. >> >> I noticed it's "dino-ware". It runs under DOS with VESA drivers, for >> criminy sake! >> >> It sounds like a 1980s platform that someone has been performing >> artificial respiration on; has kept adding to and "improving" it without >> ever adding any abstraction layers. He even states that it "talks >> directly to devices". >> >> That might make it very fast and capable of driving hardware accurately, >> but would also make it impossible to keep up-to-date, and would tend to >> keep the interface so very primitive as to scare off almost everybody but >> die-hard hardware types. >> >> I know none of this for sure, having not run it. But it looks from the >> docs to be very primitive. >> >> Besides, I don't have any old 8088-based DOS3.1 machines to run it on >> <G>. > > FWIW, the last file date is some time in 1999. Vista 64-bit won't even > try to run it, however it might run on a virtual machine. > > Also FWIW, if somebody wants dino-ware CAD and can find a copy, Cadkey put > their final DOS version up on their web site one year as a Christmas > present to their customers--no strings whatsoever for free. Alas I lost > my copy back before I learned to keep good backups. For its time that was > a sweet piece of software. I think I still have my copy, but no floppy-disk drive from which to load it. -- Ed Huntress
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