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From: Robert Baer on 13 Sep 2008 23:29 Eeyore wrote: > > donald wrote: > > >>krw wrote: >> >>>donald(a)notinmyinbox.com says... >>> >>>>Rich Grise wrote: >>>> >>>>>Eeyore wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>krw wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Ir runs under DOS. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>...assuming DOS still runs. You do like to take risks! >>>>>> >>>>>>What a silly comment. DOS is the only stable product ever to come from Microsoft. >>>>> >>>>>Actually, it didn't come from Microsoft. It came from Digital Reasearch; M$ >>>>>just brokered the usurious deal with IBM that gave us the 8088 PC and all >>>>>the rest. >>>>> >>>>>Cheers! >>>>>Rich >>>>> >>>> >>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dos >>>> >>>>Check the dates of MS/PC-DOS and DR-DOS. >>> >>>PC-DOS was from IBM. MS-DOS from M$. >>> >> >> From link above: >> >>"History >> >>The original 1981 arrangement between IBM and Microsoft was that >>_Microsoft_would_provide_ the base product and that both firms would >>work on developing different parts of it into a more powerful and robust >>system, and then share the resultant code. MS-DOS and PC-DOS were to be >>marketed separately: IBM selling to itself for the IBM PC, and Microsoft >>selling to the open market. However, at no time did IBM acquire the >>ownership of the source code of the operating system for its own PCs." > > > Reminds me. What was IBM's GUI ? Many say it was vastly superior to Windows. I've seen it > once or twice. Wasn't it 32 bit from the off ? They fell out over it didn't they ? > > Graham > THe IBM gooie was called OS/2.
From: Eeyore on 14 Sep 2008 02:54 Robert Baer wrote: > Eeyore wrote: > > krw wrote: > >>rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says... > >>>krw wrote: > >>>>rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says... > >>>>> > >>>>>I can remember when applications NEVER crashed. > >>>> > >>>>Irrelevant. That was then. > >>> > >>>And now. > >> > >>Nope. Applications crash when the OS does. > > > > That was exactly my point. Although nowadays both will crash quite happily. Maybe they > > should get married ? > > Would be the shortest marriage: "..until crash do we part." Actually I had something more subtle in mind. The 'PC' simply runs some rock solid 'desktop'. The app contains the OS embedded in it. Wasteful maybe but at least there's only one vendor to blame. Graham
From: krw on 14 Sep 2008 12:17 In article <JJidnWa8S5vcGFHVnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d(a)posted.localnet>, robertbaer(a)localnet.com says... > Eeyore wrote: > > > > > donald wrote: > > > > > >>krw wrote: > >> > >>>donald(a)notinmyinbox.com says... > >>> > >>>>Rich Grise wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>Eeyore wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>>krw wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Ir runs under DOS. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>...assuming DOS still runs. You do like to take risks! > >>>>>> > >>>>>>What a silly comment. DOS is the only stable product ever to come from Microsoft. > >>>>> > >>>>>Actually, it didn't come from Microsoft. It came from Digital Reasearch; M$ > >>>>>just brokered the usurious deal with IBM that gave us the 8088 PC and all > >>>>>the rest. > >>>>> > >>>>>Cheers! > >>>>>Rich > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dos > >>>> > >>>>Check the dates of MS/PC-DOS and DR-DOS. > >>> > >>>PC-DOS was from IBM. MS-DOS from M$. > >>> > >> > >> From link above: > >> > >>"History > >> > >>The original 1981 arrangement between IBM and Microsoft was that > >>_Microsoft_would_provide_ the base product and that both firms would > >>work on developing different parts of it into a more powerful and robust > >>system, and then share the resultant code. MS-DOS and PC-DOS were to be > >>marketed separately: IBM selling to itself for the IBM PC, and Microsoft > >>selling to the open market. However, at no time did IBM acquire the > >>ownership of the source code of the operating system for its own PCs." > > > > > > Reminds me. What was IBM's GUI ? Many say it was vastly superior to Windows. I've seen it > > once or twice. Wasn't it 32 bit from the off ? They fell out over it didn't they ? > > > > Graham > > > THe IBM gooie was called OS/2. No, it wasn't. OS/2 was the operating system. The GUI was called the "Workplace Shell", and ran on top of OS/2. -- Keith
From: krw on 14 Sep 2008 12:18 In article <48CB9A66.36C801D1(a)hotmail.com>, rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says... > > > krw wrote: > > > rich(a)example.net says... > > > On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:34:28 +0100, Eeyore wrote: > > > > krw wrote: > > > >> rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says... > > > >> > > > > >> > Ir runs under DOS. > > > >> > > > >> ...assuming DOS still runs. You do like to take risks! > > > > > > > > What a silly comment. DOS is the only stable product ever to come from Microsoft. > > > > > > Actually, it didn't come from Microsoft. It came from Digital Reasearch; M$ > > > just brokered the usurious deal with IBM that gave us the 8088 PC and all > > > the rest. > > > > The IBM versions of DOS were far better. > > Never noticed. Can you give an example ? It worked. Remember compression in MS-DOS? -- Keith
From: Eeyore on 14 Sep 2008 12:39
krw wrote: > rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says... > > krw wrote: > > > rich(a)example.net says... > > > > Eeyore wrote: > > > > > krw wrote: > > > > >> rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says... > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Ir runs under DOS. > > > > >> > > > > >> ...assuming DOS still runs. You do like to take risks! > > > > > > > > > > What a silly comment. DOS is the only stable product ever to come from Microsoft. > > > > > > > > Actually, it didn't come from Microsoft. It came from Digital Reasearch; M$ > > > > just brokered the usurious deal with IBM that gave us the 8088 PC and all > > > > the rest. > > > > > > The IBM versions of DOS were far better. > > > > Never noticed. Can you give an example ? > > It worked. Remember compression in MS-DOS? Never enabled it. It sounded stupid. Graham |