From: Bill Ward on
On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:21:27 +0200, Tom P wrote:

> On 08/01/2010 11:38 PM, Last Post wrote:
>> On Aug 1, 4:16 pm, Roger Coppock<rcopp...(a)adnc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> An actual measurement of the climate forcing by CO2 and other
>>> greenhouse gases, and an estimate of the growth of that forcing over
>>> time.
>>
>> Ø There is NO climate forcing by CO2 and
>> "other greenhouse gases"
>
> So why is Venus so hot?

Because the atmosphere is so massive. Look at the surface pressure
compared to Earth.

Why is Mars so cold?


From: Tom P on
On 08/04/2010 08:15 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> In article<i3bs93$47a$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Erwin Schroedinger"<erschroedinger(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Bill Ward"<bward(a)ix.REMOVETHISnetcom.com> wrote in message
>> news:O7mdnXdJx9aEOsXRnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:21:27 +0200, Tom P wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 08/01/2010 11:38 PM, Last Post wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 1, 4:16 pm, Roger Coppock<rcopp...(a)adnc.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> An actual measurement of the climate forcing by CO2 and other
>>>>>> greenhouse gases, and an estimate of the growth of that forcing over
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>
>>>>> � There is NO climate forcing by CO2 and
>>>>> "other greenhouse gases"
>>>>
>>>> So why is Venus so hot?
>>>
>>> Because the atmosphere is so massive. Look at the surface pressure
>>> compared to Earth.
>>>
>>
>> A massive atmosphere of, say, N2, would not make a planet hot.
>>
>
> .... nor would trace amounts of CO2. After all, we are talking about
> 0.04% concentration -- NOT massive percentages, like Venus.

The greenhouse effect on planet earth is determined primarily by WV and
CO2. WV operates in the lower troposphere, CO2 above it. This can be
seen quite clearly in the satellite measurements of the OLWR spectrum.

>
>
>>
>>> Why is Mars so cold?
>>>
> ...... and Mars ahs a very high percentage of CO2.
>