A constant speed of light in all reference frames? Surely you can't be serious.
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From: mpc755 on 11 Mar 2010 20:44 On Mar 11, 4:57 pm, "Peter Webb" <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > "PD" <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:2e16df28-8aaa-4a83-b215-9dae14eb075f(a)g28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 11, 7:37 am, "Peter Webb" > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > "Ste" <ste_ro...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:860a5e85-6231-4eeb-a3a8-f2b25ced173b(a)x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com.... > > > > On 11 Mar, 01:58, "Peter Webb" <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> > > > wrote: > > >> "Ste" <ste_ro...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > >> > except for the fairly > > >> > obvious explanation that it is the reference clock which is > > >> > undergoing > > >> > a "real" slowdown. > > > >> Or, that you have no idea of what SR predicts, and have completely and > > >> falsely assumed that observers see clocks jump ahead when turnaround > > >> occurs. > > > > I'm merely going off what "experts" here say happens. I didn't say > > > there is a "leap ahead". Paul Draper (if I remember correctly) said > > > there is a "leap ahead". Now perhaps I misunderstood, but that is what > > > was said. > > > Perhaps that was what he said. > > > But now you know. > > > No leap ahead. > > http://scope.joemirando.net/faqs/Relativity/SR/TwinParadox/twin_gap.html > > This and the supporting links give some of the context here. > > ____________________________________ > Including the same sort of diagram as on the wiki page, which answers Ste's > question, if he could be bothered to look and read. In the Twin Paradox the twin less at rest with respect to the aether has their clock tick slower than the other twin. Since the state of the aether is determined by its connections with the matter the clock of the twin on the Earth tick's slower than the clock associated with the twin who leaves and returns to the Earth.
From: mpc755 on 11 Mar 2010 20:54 On Mar 11, 4:57 pm, "Peter Webb" <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > "PD" <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:2e16df28-8aaa-4a83-b215-9dae14eb075f(a)g28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 11, 7:37 am, "Peter Webb" > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > "Ste" <ste_ro...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:860a5e85-6231-4eeb-a3a8-f2b25ced173b(a)x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com.... > > > > On 11 Mar, 01:58, "Peter Webb" <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> > > > wrote: > > >> "Ste" <ste_ro...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > >> > except for the fairly > > >> > obvious explanation that it is the reference clock which is > > >> > undergoing > > >> > a "real" slowdown. > > > >> Or, that you have no idea of what SR predicts, and have completely and > > >> falsely assumed that observers see clocks jump ahead when turnaround > > >> occurs. > > > > I'm merely going off what "experts" here say happens. I didn't say > > > there is a "leap ahead". Paul Draper (if I remember correctly) said > > > there is a "leap ahead". Now perhaps I misunderstood, but that is what > > > was said. > > > Perhaps that was what he said. > > > But now you know. > > > No leap ahead. > > http://scope.joemirando.net/faqs/Relativity/SR/TwinParadox/twin_gap.html > > This and the supporting links give some of the context here. > > ____________________________________ > Including the same sort of diagram as on the wiki page, which answers Ste's > question, if he could be bothered to look and read. In the Twin Paradox the twin less at rest with respect to the aether has their clock tick slower than the other twin. Since the state of the aether is determined by its connections with the matter the clock of the twin on the Earth tick's faster than the clock associated with the twin who leaves and returns to the Earth.
From: BURT on 11 Mar 2010 20:57 On Mar 11, 5:54 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 11, 4:57 pm, "Peter Webb" > > > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > "PD" <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:2e16df28-8aaa-4a83-b215-9dae14eb075f(a)g28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com.... > > On Mar 11, 7:37 am, "Peter Webb" > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > "Ste" <ste_ro...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > >news:860a5e85-6231-4eeb-a3a8-f2b25ced173b(a)x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com.... > > > > > On 11 Mar, 01:58, "Peter Webb" <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> > > > > wrote: > > > >> "Ste" <ste_ro...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > >> > except for the fairly > > > >> > obvious explanation that it is the reference clock which is > > > >> > undergoing > > > >> > a "real" slowdown. > > > > >> Or, that you have no idea of what SR predicts, and have completely and > > > >> falsely assumed that observers see clocks jump ahead when turnaround > > > >> occurs. > > > > > I'm merely going off what "experts" here say happens. I didn't say > > > > there is a "leap ahead". Paul Draper (if I remember correctly) said > > > > there is a "leap ahead". Now perhaps I misunderstood, but that is what > > > > was said. > > > > Perhaps that was what he said. > > > > But now you know. > > > > No leap ahead. > > >http://scope.joemirando.net/faqs/Relativity/SR/TwinParadox/twin_gap.html > > > This and the supporting links give some of the context here. > > > ____________________________________ > > Including the same sort of diagram as on the wiki page, which answers Ste's > > question, if he could be bothered to look and read. > > In the Twin Paradox the twin less at rest with respect to the aether > has their clock tick slower than the other twin. Since the state of > the aether is determined by its connections with the matter the clock > of the twin on the Earth tick's faster than the clock associated with > the twin who leaves and returns to the Earth.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - If clocks tick slower then there must be a fastest time rate corresponding to light rate time. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 11 Mar 2010 20:58 On Mar 11, 8:57 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Mar 11, 5:54 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 11, 4:57 pm, "Peter Webb" > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > "PD" <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > >news:2e16df28-8aaa-4a83-b215-9dae14eb075f(a)g28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com.... > > > On Mar 11, 7:37 am, "Peter Webb" > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > "Ste" <ste_ro...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > >news:860a5e85-6231-4eeb-a3a8-f2b25ced173b(a)x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > On 11 Mar, 01:58, "Peter Webb" <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com..au> > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> "Ste" <ste_ro...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > >> > except for the fairly > > > > >> > obvious explanation that it is the reference clock which is > > > > >> > undergoing > > > > >> > a "real" slowdown. > > > > > >> Or, that you have no idea of what SR predicts, and have completely and > > > > >> falsely assumed that observers see clocks jump ahead when turnaround > > > > >> occurs. > > > > > > I'm merely going off what "experts" here say happens. I didn't say > > > > > there is a "leap ahead". Paul Draper (if I remember correctly) said > > > > > there is a "leap ahead". Now perhaps I misunderstood, but that is what > > > > > was said. > > > > > Perhaps that was what he said. > > > > > But now you know. > > > > > No leap ahead. > > > >http://scope.joemirando.net/faqs/Relativity/SR/TwinParadox/twin_gap.html > > > > This and the supporting links give some of the context here. > > > > ____________________________________ > > > Including the same sort of diagram as on the wiki page, which answers Ste's > > > question, if he could be bothered to look and read. > > > In the Twin Paradox the twin less at rest with respect to the aether > > has their clock tick slower than the other twin. Since the state of > > the aether is determined by its connections with the matter the clock > > of the twin on the Earth tick's faster than the clock associated with > > the twin who leaves and returns to the Earth.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > If clocks tick slower then there must be a fastest time rate > corresponding to light rate time. > > Mitch Raemsch The fastest rate at which a clock ticks is when it is most at rest with respect to the aether.
From: BURT on 11 Mar 2010 21:03
On Mar 11, 5:58 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 11, 8:57 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 11, 5:54 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 11, 4:57 pm, "Peter Webb" > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > "PD" <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > >news:2e16df28-8aaa-4a83-b215-9dae14eb075f(a)g28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... > > > > On Mar 11, 7:37 am, "Peter Webb" > > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > "Ste" <ste_ro...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > >news:860a5e85-6231-4eeb-a3a8-f2b25ced173b(a)x12g2000yqx.googlegroups..com... > > > > > > > On 11 Mar, 01:58, "Peter Webb" <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> "Ste" <ste_ro...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > >> > except for the fairly > > > > > >> > obvious explanation that it is the reference clock which is > > > > > >> > undergoing > > > > > >> > a "real" slowdown. > > > > > > >> Or, that you have no idea of what SR predicts, and have completely and > > > > > >> falsely assumed that observers see clocks jump ahead when turnaround > > > > > >> occurs. > > > > > > > I'm merely going off what "experts" here say happens. I didn't say > > > > > > there is a "leap ahead". Paul Draper (if I remember correctly) said > > > > > > there is a "leap ahead". Now perhaps I misunderstood, but that is what > > > > > > was said. > > > > > > Perhaps that was what he said. > > > > > > But now you know. > > > > > > No leap ahead. > > > > >http://scope.joemirando.net/faqs/Relativity/SR/TwinParadox/twin_gap.html > > > > > This and the supporting links give some of the context here. > > > > > ____________________________________ > > > > Including the same sort of diagram as on the wiki page, which answers Ste's > > > > question, if he could be bothered to look and read. > > > > In the Twin Paradox the twin less at rest with respect to the aether > > > has their clock tick slower than the other twin. Since the state of > > > the aether is determined by its connections with the matter the clock > > > of the twin on the Earth tick's faster than the clock associated with > > > the twin who leaves and returns to the Earth.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > If clocks tick slower then there must be a fastest time rate > > corresponding to light rate time. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > The fastest rate at which a clock ticks is when it is most at rest > with respect to the aether.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - There is gravity slowing of time to take into acount. There are two rates in the universe that can slow. Mitch Raemsch |