A constant speed of light in all reference frames? Surely you can't be serious.
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From: BURT on 13 Mar 2010 02:02 On Mar 12, 11:00 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Mar 12, 10:53 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 12, 10:46 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 13, 1:19 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 12, 7:56 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > T1: > > > > > > M'--------> > > > > > -\ > > > > > --\ > > > > > ---\ > > > > > ----\ > > > > > -----M > > > > > > T2: > > > > > > -----M'--------> > > > > > -----| > > > > > -----| > > > > > -----| > > > > > -----| > > > > > -----M > > > > > > T3: > > > > > > ----------M'--------> > > > > > ---------/ > > > > > --------/ > > > > > -------/ > > > > > ------/ > > > > > -----M > > > > > > There is no difference between the clocks being directly across from > > > > > each other and one clock approaching, and then being directly across > > > > > from, and then moving past the other clock.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > If two ships flow through space at near light speed next to each other > > > > light will be left behind as it has to travel accross space to the > > > > next ship. Each will see the other ship slightly behind because light > > > > gets left behind in space. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > Light travels at 'c' with respect to the aether. It might be more > > > informative to discuss the light from lightning strikes on the train > > > at A' and B' and on the embankment at A and B. Let's assume the train > > > is full of flat bed cars and the lightning strikes occur above the > > > flat bed cars on the train at A' and B'. Let's also assume the > > > lightning strike occur above A and B on the embankment. > > > > "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections > > > with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places"- > > > Albert Einstein > > > > This means the aether is more at rest with respect to the embankment > > > than the aether is at rest with respect to the train. The light > > > travels from A and B to M and the light travels from A and B to where > > > M' is when the light reaches M'. The light travels from where A' and > > > B' were with respect to the Earth at the time of the lighting strikes > > > to M'. Measuring to A' and B' on the train in order to determine how > > > far the light travels to M' does not accurately reflect how far the > > > light traveled in nature from the lightning strikes at A' and B' to > > > M'. A' and B' have moved with respect to the aether between the time > > > of the lightning strikes and the time the light reaches M'.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Light flows through space pushed by time. Space has its own aether > > that is the main "push" to matter behind all of physics. > > Space has its own aether but space is doing the pushing of matter. > > > > > The strength > > of gravity does not require this aether to push. Space flow that pushes is what God is creating in physics. Mitch Raemsch > The rest of the pushes are from > > space's aether. > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: BURT on 13 Mar 2010 02:07 On Mar 12, 11:00 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 13, 1:53 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 12, 10:46 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 13, 1:19 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 12, 7:56 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > T1: > > > > > > M'--------> > > > > > -\ > > > > > --\ > > > > > ---\ > > > > > ----\ > > > > > -----M > > > > > > T2: > > > > > > -----M'--------> > > > > > -----| > > > > > -----| > > > > > -----| > > > > > -----| > > > > > -----M > > > > > > T3: > > > > > > ----------M'--------> > > > > > ---------/ > > > > > --------/ > > > > > -------/ > > > > > ------/ > > > > > -----M > > > > > > There is no difference between the clocks being directly across from > > > > > each other and one clock approaching, and then being directly across > > > > > from, and then moving past the other clock.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > If two ships flow through space at near light speed next to each other > > > > light will be left behind as it has to travel accross space to the > > > > next ship. Each will see the other ship slightly behind because light > > > > gets left behind in space. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > Light travels at 'c' with respect to the aether. It might be more > > > informative to discuss the light from lightning strikes on the train > > > at A' and B' and on the embankment at A and B. Let's assume the train > > > is full of flat bed cars and the lightning strikes occur above the > > > flat bed cars on the train at A' and B'. Let's also assume the > > > lightning strike occur above A and B on the embankment. > > > > "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections > > > with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places"- > > > Albert Einstein > > > > This means the aether is more at rest with respect to the embankment > > > than the aether is at rest with respect to the train. The light > > > travels from A and B to M and the light travels from A and B to where > > > M' is when the light reaches M'. The light travels from where A' and > > > B' were with respect to the Earth at the time of the lighting strikes > > > to M'. Measuring to A' and B' on the train in order to determine how > > > far the light travels to M' does not accurately reflect how far the > > > light traveled in nature from the lightning strikes at A' and B' to > > > M'. A' and B' have moved with respect to the aether between the time > > > of the lightning strikes and the time the light reaches M'.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Light flows through space pushed by time. Space has its own aether > > that is the main "push" to matter behind all of physics. The strength > > of gravity does not require this aether to push. Since space flow push > > is what God is doing in physics. The rest of the pushes are from > > space's aether. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > 'Time' is not a physical force capable of 'pushing'. Time is a > concept. The rate at which a clock 'ticks' has nothing to do with > time. The pressure associated with the aether determines the rate at > which a clock ticks.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Time is a physical thing otherwise it wouldn't be in physics. Its order is most important. You cannot exclude the most important mpc. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 13 Mar 2010 02:11 On Mar 13, 2:07 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Mar 12, 11:00 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 13, 1:53 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 12, 10:46 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 13, 1:19 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 12, 7:56 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > T1: > > > > > > > M'--------> > > > > > > -\ > > > > > > --\ > > > > > > ---\ > > > > > > ----\ > > > > > > -----M > > > > > > > T2: > > > > > > > -----M'--------> > > > > > > -----| > > > > > > -----| > > > > > > -----| > > > > > > -----| > > > > > > -----M > > > > > > > T3: > > > > > > > ----------M'--------> > > > > > > ---------/ > > > > > > --------/ > > > > > > -------/ > > > > > > ------/ > > > > > > -----M > > > > > > > There is no difference between the clocks being directly across from > > > > > > each other and one clock approaching, and then being directly across > > > > > > from, and then moving past the other clock.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > If two ships flow through space at near light speed next to each other > > > > > light will be left behind as it has to travel accross space to the > > > > > next ship. Each will see the other ship slightly behind because light > > > > > gets left behind in space. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > Light travels at 'c' with respect to the aether. It might be more > > > > informative to discuss the light from lightning strikes on the train > > > > at A' and B' and on the embankment at A and B. Let's assume the train > > > > is full of flat bed cars and the lightning strikes occur above the > > > > flat bed cars on the train at A' and B'. Let's also assume the > > > > lightning strike occur above A and B on the embankment. > > > > > "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections > > > > with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places"- > > > > Albert Einstein > > > > > This means the aether is more at rest with respect to the embankment > > > > than the aether is at rest with respect to the train. The light > > > > travels from A and B to M and the light travels from A and B to where > > > > M' is when the light reaches M'. The light travels from where A' and > > > > B' were with respect to the Earth at the time of the lighting strikes > > > > to M'. Measuring to A' and B' on the train in order to determine how > > > > far the light travels to M' does not accurately reflect how far the > > > > light traveled in nature from the lightning strikes at A' and B' to > > > > M'. A' and B' have moved with respect to the aether between the time > > > > of the lightning strikes and the time the light reaches M'.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Light flows through space pushed by time. Space has its own aether > > > that is the main "push" to matter behind all of physics. The strength > > > of gravity does not require this aether to push. Since space flow push > > > is what God is doing in physics. The rest of the pushes are from > > > space's aether. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > 'Time' is not a physical force capable of 'pushing'. Time is a > > concept. The rate at which a clock 'ticks' has nothing to do with > > time. The pressure associated with the aether determines the rate at > > which a clock ticks.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Time is a physical thing otherwise it wouldn't be in physics. Its > order is most important. You cannot exclude the most important mpc. > > Mitch Raemsch I am explaining what physically occurs in nature in order to cause atomic clocks to tick at different rates. An atomic clock ticks based upon the aether pressure in which it exists.
From: BURT on 13 Mar 2010 02:16 On Mar 12, 11:11 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 13, 2:07 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 12, 11:00 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 13, 1:53 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 12, 10:46 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 13, 1:19 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 12, 7:56 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > T1: > > > > > > > > M'--------> > > > > > > > -\ > > > > > > > --\ > > > > > > > ---\ > > > > > > > ----\ > > > > > > > -----M > > > > > > > > T2: > > > > > > > > -----M'--------> > > > > > > > -----| > > > > > > > -----| > > > > > > > -----| > > > > > > > -----| > > > > > > > -----M > > > > > > > > T3: > > > > > > > > ----------M'--------> > > > > > > > ---------/ > > > > > > > --------/ > > > > > > > -------/ > > > > > > > ------/ > > > > > > > -----M > > > > > > > > There is no difference between the clocks being directly across from > > > > > > > each other and one clock approaching, and then being directly across > > > > > > > from, and then moving past the other clock.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > If two ships flow through space at near light speed next to each other > > > > > > light will be left behind as it has to travel accross space to the > > > > > > next ship. Each will see the other ship slightly behind because light > > > > > > gets left behind in space. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > Light travels at 'c' with respect to the aether. It might be more > > > > > informative to discuss the light from lightning strikes on the train > > > > > at A' and B' and on the embankment at A and B. Let's assume the train > > > > > is full of flat bed cars and the lightning strikes occur above the > > > > > flat bed cars on the train at A' and B'. Let's also assume the > > > > > lightning strike occur above A and B on the embankment. > > > > > > "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections > > > > > with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places"- > > > > > Albert Einstein > > > > > > This means the aether is more at rest with respect to the embankment > > > > > than the aether is at rest with respect to the train. The light > > > > > travels from A and B to M and the light travels from A and B to where > > > > > M' is when the light reaches M'. The light travels from where A' and > > > > > B' were with respect to the Earth at the time of the lighting strikes > > > > > to M'. Measuring to A' and B' on the train in order to determine how > > > > > far the light travels to M' does not accurately reflect how far the > > > > > light traveled in nature from the lightning strikes at A' and B' to > > > > > M'. A' and B' have moved with respect to the aether between the time > > > > > of the lightning strikes and the time the light reaches M'.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Light flows through space pushed by time. Space has its own aether > > > > that is the main "push" to matter behind all of physics. The strength > > > > of gravity does not require this aether to push. Since space flow push > > > > is what God is doing in physics. The rest of the pushes are from > > > > space's aether. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > 'Time' is not a physical force capable of 'pushing'. Time is a > > > concept. The rate at which a clock 'ticks' has nothing to do with > > > time. The pressure associated with the aether determines the rate at > > > which a clock ticks.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Time is a physical thing otherwise it wouldn't be in physics. Its > > order is most important. You cannot exclude the most important mpc. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > I am explaining what physically occurs in nature in order to cause > atomic clocks to tick at different rates. An atomic clock ticks based > upon the aether pressure in which it exists.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - You are dismissed for not seeing that time and its slowing are real. I suppose you are looking for a hole in the wall? Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 13 Mar 2010 02:22
On Mar 13, 2:16 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Mar 12, 11:11 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 13, 2:07 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 12, 11:00 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 13, 1:53 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 12, 10:46 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 1:19 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mar 12, 7:56 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > T1: > > > > > > > > > M'--------> > > > > > > > > -\ > > > > > > > > --\ > > > > > > > > ---\ > > > > > > > > ----\ > > > > > > > > -----M > > > > > > > > > T2: > > > > > > > > > -----M'--------> > > > > > > > > -----| > > > > > > > > -----| > > > > > > > > -----| > > > > > > > > -----| > > > > > > > > -----M > > > > > > > > > T3: > > > > > > > > > ----------M'--------> > > > > > > > > ---------/ > > > > > > > > --------/ > > > > > > > > -------/ > > > > > > > > ------/ > > > > > > > > -----M > > > > > > > > > There is no difference between the clocks being directly across from > > > > > > > > each other and one clock approaching, and then being directly across > > > > > > > > from, and then moving past the other clock.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > If two ships flow through space at near light speed next to each other > > > > > > > light will be left behind as it has to travel accross space to the > > > > > > > next ship. Each will see the other ship slightly behind because light > > > > > > > gets left behind in space. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > Light travels at 'c' with respect to the aether. It might be more > > > > > > informative to discuss the light from lightning strikes on the train > > > > > > at A' and B' and on the embankment at A and B. Let's assume the train > > > > > > is full of flat bed cars and the lightning strikes occur above the > > > > > > flat bed cars on the train at A' and B'. Let's also assume the > > > > > > lightning strike occur above A and B on the embankment. > > > > > > > "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections > > > > > > with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places"- > > > > > > Albert Einstein > > > > > > > This means the aether is more at rest with respect to the embankment > > > > > > than the aether is at rest with respect to the train. The light > > > > > > travels from A and B to M and the light travels from A and B to where > > > > > > M' is when the light reaches M'. The light travels from where A' and > > > > > > B' were with respect to the Earth at the time of the lighting strikes > > > > > > to M'. Measuring to A' and B' on the train in order to determine how > > > > > > far the light travels to M' does not accurately reflect how far the > > > > > > light traveled in nature from the lightning strikes at A' and B' to > > > > > > M'. A' and B' have moved with respect to the aether between the time > > > > > > of the lightning strikes and the time the light reaches M'.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Light flows through space pushed by time. Space has its own aether > > > > > that is the main "push" to matter behind all of physics. The strength > > > > > of gravity does not require this aether to push. Since space flow push > > > > > is what God is doing in physics. The rest of the pushes are from > > > > > space's aether. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > 'Time' is not a physical force capable of 'pushing'. Time is a > > > > concept. The rate at which a clock 'ticks' has nothing to do with > > > > time. The pressure associated with the aether determines the rate at > > > > which a clock ticks.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Time is a physical thing otherwise it wouldn't be in physics. Its > > > order is most important. You cannot exclude the most important mpc. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > I am explaining what physically occurs in nature in order to cause > > atomic clocks to tick at different rates. An atomic clock ticks based > > upon the aether pressure in which it exists.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > You are dismissed for not seeing that time and its slowing are real. > I suppose you are looking for a hole in the wall? > > Mitch Raemsch The rate at which an atomic clock ticks has nothing to do with time. Take the twins paradox for example. One twin fires off in a space ship. The space ship is traveling fast enough that the pressure associated with the aether is greater on the clock on the space ship then it is on the clock which remains on the Earth. The clock in the space ship 'ticks' slower. Let's say after ten years the twin in the space ship arrives back on the Earth. As far as the twin who remained on the Earth is concerned ten years have passed and it is March 2020. As far as the twin on the space ship is concerned nine years have passed and it is March 2019. Is the twin who left and returned on the space ship going to insist it is March 2019 and convince all of the people on the Earth it is March 2019, or is the twin who left and returned on the space ship going to decide it is March 2020? The twin who left and returned on the space ship is going to change the date on their calendar. Time is a concept. If you have a battery operated clock and it starts to tick slower has time changed, or do you replace the batteries? You replace the batteries because you understand what is causing your clock to tick slower. |