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From: Peter Webb on 3 Mar 2010 01:28

"Inertial" <relatively(a)rest.com> wrote in message
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> "Peter Webb" <webbfamily(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>>>> I tried to give you an informal, non-mathematical description of why
>>>> Maxwell's eqns produce a speed of light that is constant in all
>>>> reference
>>>> frames, but you said you didn't understand.
>>>>
>>>> If you would like to visit a webpage or buy a book on Maxwell's eqns, I
>>>> would be happy to answer any questions that you have about them that
>>>> you
>>>> don't understand. Please provide the exact quote in context of whatever
>>>> it
>>>> is that isn't clear, and I will see what I can do to help.
>>>
>>> Just answer the question:
>>> http://androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/QUESTION.htm
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You mean this question:
>>
>> Why did Einstein say
>> the speed of light from A to B is c-v,
>> the speed of light from B to A is c+v,
>> the "time" each way is the same?
>>
>> The answer is that he didn't say that. Unless, of course, you can provide
>> a reference to where he did say it? Which of course you can't, that is
>> the complete opposite of what SR says, and Einstein would never has said
>> something that stupid. It looks like something that you would have said,
>> and then tried to pretend it was something Einstein said. You may have
>> said it, but Einstein certainly didn't.
>>
>
> You see .. as soon as Androcles sees a (c-v) or (c+v) *anywhere* in *any*
> equation, he starts getting excited and thinks it is claiming that the
> speed of light is c-v or c+v.
>
> That's what he thinks when he sees the equation (that is WAY too
> complicated for his poor excuse for a brain)...
>
> 1/2 [ Tau(0,0,0,0) + Tau(0,0,0,(x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v))) ] =
> Tau(x',0,0,(x'/(c-v)))
>

That cannot be the case:

1. That was not what his quote says, its completely different.
2. This equation as far as I know was not written by Einstein.

If you claim "a" was said by "b", you cannot offer as evidence something
completely different said by a completely different person.

I am sure even Androcles would know this.

Doubtless he will post where Einstein said what he claimed he said.

That was a joke, BTW.


From: Inertial on 3 Mar 2010 01:35

"Peter Webb" <webbfamily(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> "Inertial" <relatively(a)rest.com> wrote in message
> news:4b8dfce0$0$8766$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com...
>>
>> "Peter Webb" <webbfamily(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:4b8df931$0$26498$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I tried to give you an informal, non-mathematical description of why
>>>>> Maxwell's eqns produce a speed of light that is constant in all
>>>>> reference
>>>>> frames, but you said you didn't understand.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you would like to visit a webpage or buy a book on Maxwell's eqns,
>>>>> I
>>>>> would be happy to answer any questions that you have about them that
>>>>> you
>>>>> don't understand. Please provide the exact quote in context of
>>>>> whatever it
>>>>> is that isn't clear, and I will see what I can do to help.
>>>>
>>>> Just answer the question:
>>>> http://androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/QUESTION.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> You mean this question:
>>>
>>> Why did Einstein say
>>> the speed of light from A to B is c-v,
>>> the speed of light from B to A is c+v,
>>> the "time" each way is the same?
>>>
>>> The answer is that he didn't say that. Unless, of course, you can
>>> provide a reference to where he did say it? Which of course you can't,
>>> that is the complete opposite of what SR says, and Einstein would never
>>> has said something that stupid. It looks like something that you would
>>> have said, and then tried to pretend it was something Einstein said. You
>>> may have said it, but Einstein certainly didn't.
>>>
>>
>> You see .. as soon as Androcles sees a (c-v) or (c+v) *anywhere* in *any*
>> equation, he starts getting excited and thinks it is claiming that the
>> speed of light is c-v or c+v.
>>
>> That's what he thinks when he sees the equation (that is WAY too
>> complicated for his poor excuse for a brain)...
>>
>> 1/2 [ Tau(0,0,0,0) + Tau(0,0,0,(x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v))) ] =
>> Tau(x',0,0,(x'/(c-v)))
>>
>
> That cannot be the case:

Umm . .why not?

> 1. That was not what his quote says, its completely different.

Whose quote?

> 2. This equation as far as I know was not written by Einstein.

Well .. I typed it .. but it is as from Einstein's 1905 paper (unless I
mistyped something)

> If you claim "a" was said by "b", you cannot offer as evidence something
> completely different said by a completely different person.

Eh?

> I am sure even Androcles would know this.
>
> Doubtless he will post where Einstein said what he claimed he said.
>
> That was a joke, BTW.


From: BURT on 3 Mar 2010 01:38
On Mar 2, 10:35 pm, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote:
> "Peter Webb" <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>
> news:4b8e0192$0$11181$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote in message
> >news:4b8dfce0$0$8766$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com...
>
> >> "Peter Webb" <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> >>news:4b8df931$0$26498$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> >>>>> I tried to give you an informal, non-mathematical description of why
> >>>>> Maxwell's eqns produce a speed of light that is constant in all
> >>>>> reference
> >>>>> frames, but you said you didn't understand.
>
> >>>>> If you would like to visit a webpage or buy a book on Maxwell's eqns,
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> would be happy to answer any questions that you have about them that
> >>>>> you
> >>>>> don't understand. Please provide the exact quote in context of
> >>>>> whatever it
> >>>>> is that isn't clear, and I will see what I can do to help.
>
> >>>> Just answer the question:
> >>>>http://androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/QUESTION.htm
>
> >>> You mean this question:
>
> >>> Why did Einstein say
> >>> the speed of light from A to B is c-v,
> >>> the speed of light from B to A is c+v,
> >>> the "time" each way is the same?
>
> >>> The answer is that he didn't say that. Unless, of course, you can
> >>> provide a reference to where he did say it? Which of course you can't,
> >>> that is the complete opposite of what SR says, and Einstein would never
> >>> has said something that stupid. It looks like something that you would
> >>> have said, and then tried to pretend it was something Einstein said. You
> >>> may have said it, but Einstein certainly didn't.
>
> >> You see .. as soon as Androcles sees a (c-v) or (c+v) *anywhere* in *any*
> >> equation, he starts getting excited and thinks it is claiming that the
> >> speed of light is c-v or c+v.
>
> >> That's what he thinks when he sees the equation (that is WAY too
> >> complicated for his poor excuse for a brain)...
>
> >> 1/2 [ Tau(0,0,0,0) + Tau(0,0,0,(x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v))) ] =
> >> Tau(x',0,0,(x'/(c-v)))
>
> > That cannot be the case:
>
> Umm . .why not?
>
> > 1. That was not what his quote says, its completely different.
>
> Whose quote?
>
> > 2. This equation as far as I know was not written by Einstein.
>
> Well .. I typed it .. but it is as from Einstein's 1905 paper (unless I
> mistyped something)
>
> > If you claim "a" was said by "b", you cannot offer as evidence something
> > completely different said by a completely different person.
>
> Eh?
>
>
>
> > I am sure even Androcles would know this.
>
> > Doubtless he will post where Einstein said what he claimed he said.
>
> > That was a joke, BTW.- Hide quoted text -
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You cannot cause things to move through space by moving yourself
around them.

Mitch Raemsch
From: Peter Webb on 3 Mar 2010 01:52

"Inertial" <relatively(a)rest.com> wrote in message
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> "Peter Webb" <webbfamily(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4b8e0192$0$11181$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au...
>>
>> "Inertial" <relatively(a)rest.com> wrote in message
>> news:4b8dfce0$0$8766$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com...
>>>
>>> "Peter Webb" <webbfamily(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>>> news:4b8df931$0$26498$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I tried to give you an informal, non-mathematical description of why
>>>>>> Maxwell's eqns produce a speed of light that is constant in all
>>>>>> reference
>>>>>> frames, but you said you didn't understand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you would like to visit a webpage or buy a book on Maxwell's eqns,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> would be happy to answer any questions that you have about them that
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> don't understand. Please provide the exact quote in context of
>>>>>> whatever it
>>>>>> is that isn't clear, and I will see what I can do to help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just answer the question:
>>>>> http://androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/QUESTION.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You mean this question:
>>>>
>>>> Why did Einstein say
>>>> the speed of light from A to B is c-v,
>>>> the speed of light from B to A is c+v,
>>>> the "time" each way is the same?
>>>>
>>>> The answer is that he didn't say that. Unless, of course, you can
>>>> provide a reference to where he did say it? Which of course you can't,
>>>> that is the complete opposite of what SR says, and Einstein would never
>>>> has said something that stupid. It looks like something that you would
>>>> have said, and then tried to pretend it was something Einstein said.
>>>> You may have said it, but Einstein certainly didn't.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You see .. as soon as Androcles sees a (c-v) or (c+v) *anywhere* in
>>> *any* equation, he starts getting excited and thinks it is claiming that
>>> the speed of light is c-v or c+v.
>>>
>>> That's what he thinks when he sees the equation (that is WAY too
>>> complicated for his poor excuse for a brain)...
>>>
>>> 1/2 [ Tau(0,0,0,0) + Tau(0,0,0,(x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v))) ] =
>>> Tau(x',0,0,(x'/(c-v)))
>>>
>>
>> That cannot be the case:
>
> Umm . .why not?
>
>> 1. That was not what his quote says, its completely different.
>
> Whose quote?


The quote on his web page.

>
>> 2. This equation as far as I know was not written by Einstein.
>
> Well .. I typed it .. but it is as from Einstein's 1905 paper (unless I
> mistyped something)
>

Sorry, I missed it, searched for tau which doesn't appear, but the symbol
does. I stand corrected.


>> If you claim "a" was said by "b", you cannot offer as evidence something
>> completely different said by a completely different person.
>
> Eh?
>

Your quote bears no resemblance to the "quote" that Androcles provided. In
fact, Einstein did not say what Androcles claims he did.

Unless, of course, Androcles can produce the source for his quote.


>> I am sure even Androcles would know this.
>>
>> Doubtless he will post where Einstein said what he claimed he said.
>>
>> That was a joke, BTW.
>
>

From: BURT on 3 Mar 2010 01:56
On Mar 2, 10:52 pm, "Peter Webb"
<webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4b8e0340$0$8844$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com...
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>
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> > "Peter Webb" <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> >news:4b8e0192$0$11181$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au...
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> >> "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote in message
> >>news:4b8dfce0$0$8766$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com...
>
> >>> "Peter Webb" <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> >>>news:4b8df931$0$26498$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> >>>>>> I tried to give you an informal, non-mathematical description of why
> >>>>>> Maxwell's eqns produce a speed of light that is constant in all
> >>>>>> reference
> >>>>>> frames, but you said you didn't understand.
>
> >>>>>> If you would like to visit a webpage or buy a book on Maxwell's eqns,
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>> would be happy to answer any questions that you have about them that
> >>>>>> you
> >>>>>> don't understand. Please provide the exact quote in context of
> >>>>>> whatever it
> >>>>>> is that isn't clear, and I will see what I can do to help.
>
> >>>>> Just answer the question:
> >>>>>http://androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/QUESTION.htm
>
> >>>> You mean this question:
>
> >>>> Why did Einstein say
> >>>> the speed of light from A to B is c-v,
> >>>> the speed of light from B to A is c+v,
> >>>> the "time" each way is the same?
>
> >>>> The answer is that he didn't say that. Unless, of course, you can
> >>>> provide a reference to where he did say it? Which of course you can't,
> >>>> that is the complete opposite of what SR says, and Einstein would never
> >>>> has said something that stupid. It looks like something that you would
> >>>> have said, and then tried to pretend it was something Einstein said.
> >>>> You may have said it, but Einstein certainly didn't.
>
> >>> You see .. as soon as Androcles sees a (c-v) or (c+v) *anywhere* in
> >>> *any* equation, he starts getting excited and thinks it is claiming that
> >>> the speed of light is c-v or c+v.
>
> >>> That's what he thinks when he sees the equation (that is WAY too
> >>> complicated for his poor excuse for a brain)...
>
> >>> 1/2 [ Tau(0,0,0,0) + Tau(0,0,0,(x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v))) ] =
> >>> Tau(x',0,0,(x'/(c-v)))
>
> >> That cannot be the case:
>
> > Umm . .why not?
>
> >> 1. That was not what his quote says, its completely different.
>
> > Whose quote?
>
> The quote on his web page.
>
>
>
> >> 2. This equation as far as I know was not written by Einstein.
>
> > Well .. I typed it .. but it is as from Einstein's 1905 paper (unless I
> > mistyped something)
>
> Sorry, I missed it, searched for tau which doesn't appear, but the symbol
> does. I stand corrected.
>
> >> If you claim "a" was said by "b", you cannot offer as evidence something
> >> completely different said by a completely different person.
>
> > Eh?
>
> Your quote bears no resemblance to the "quote" that Androcles provided. In
> fact, Einstein did not say what Androcles claims he did.
>
> Unless, of course, Androcles can produce the source for his quote.
>
>
>
> >> I am sure even Androcles would know this.
>
> >> Doubtless he will post where Einstein said what he claimed he said.
>
> >> That was a joke, BTW.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

The train felt weight when beginning to move therefore it accelerated
while the station did not. Creation of motion is detectable.

Mitch Raemsch
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