From: Steven Fisher on
In article <jwolf6589-813D48.05591924022010(a)nntp.charter.net>,
John <jwolf6589(a)NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

> In article <michelle-DDE1E1.16380023022010(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
> Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote:
>
> > In the original Macintosh System, Finder, Macwrite, and/or Macpaint, what
> > did these keyboard shortcuts do? (Some of them did different things in
> > different environments, though.)
> >
> > Command-P
>
> Print

Probably plain text, actually.

> > Command-W
>
> Close window

Probably not. Early versions didn't have a close, right? You just opened
another document and the first would close.

> > Command-U
>
> I dont know

Underline.

> > Command-O
>
> open

Outline.


Steve
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kir=E1ly?= on
nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > I thought it was the coolest thing ever when I first saw it - back in
> > junior high school.
>
> right up there with the san francisco font.

<slaps forehead> Yeah, totally! I had forgotten all about that one.

--
K.

Lang may your lum reek.
From: nospam on
In article <michelle-E1E0DE.22004624022010(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote:

> Back then, all upgrades to the system were free until (I think) the first
> system with multifinder. It stayed at $50 until System 7, when it went up
> to $100, and remained there until Mac OS X was released at $129. That
> remained the price until Mac OS X 10.6, which reduced the price to $29.
> I'm going by memory on this, so I may have some details wrong.

close:)

it was free through system 7, however, you could buy an 'official'
version if you wanted one. system 7 came in a fancy box of 7 floppies
and physical documentation. i think there was a cd version of it too
but that was not as common. system 7.1 is when paid only systems began.

system 6 was on 4 floppies and earlier versions were 1 or 2 floppies,
so it wasn't a big deal to copy them and it was common to visit an
apple dealer where they'd copy it for you. there wasn't really an
internet, and i don't remember if apple allowed bbs systems to post the
files.

system 1 fit on a single 400k floppy with space left over for macwrite
*and* mapaint, as well as space for some documents. finder and system
were around 150k or so.
From: Geoffrey S. Mendelson on
nospam wrote:
> it was free through system 7, however, you could buy an 'official'
> version if you wanted one. system 7 came in a fancy box of 7 floppies
> and physical documentation. i think there was a cd version of it too
> but that was not as common. system 7.1 is when paid only systems began.
>
> system 6 was on 4 floppies and earlier versions were 1 or 2 floppies,
> so it wasn't a big deal to copy them and it was common to visit an
> apple dealer where they'd copy it for you. there wasn't really an
> internet, and i don't remember if apple allowed bbs systems to post the
> files.

Yes there was an internet and you could get the updates from FTP. Bear in mind
that an 800k disk image was enourmous in those days, so few people did.

User groups could get the disks directly from Apple and could make copies
for their members. Groups that have such disks can still legally do so.
They also could post their disk images on BBS and ftp sites (and later
FTP sites) until around 2003 when Apple asked them all to take them down.


System 7 was sold in a box set for $99, but there were ways around it. If
you had a CD-ROM drive (very expensive and rare in those days), you could
buy a single copy of Apple's Develop magazine with it on the included CD for
$10.

As far as I remember there were no restrictions on making copies and handing
them out to your friends.

System 7.1 was different. It included software not owned by Apple, and
was only sold. It never was or is available for download, however if you
searched the web, you could find copies for download outside of the US
and the reach of Apple copyright lawyers.

I have never seen a System 7 CD, except for the Develop ones (which were not
bootable). AFAIK the first retail CD was System 7.6. There were System
7.5 CDs sold with computers, but they were specific to the computer
they were sold with.

BTW, the System 7.6 CD (copy) I have, has a bootable system, an installer
and 20 floppy images on it. From what I remember, it mounts and installs
from the floppy images as needed.

Geoff

--
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New word I coined 12/13/09, "Sub-Wikipedia" adj, describing knowledge or
understanding, as in he has a sub-wikipedia understanding of the situation.
i.e possessing less facts or information than can be found in the Wikipedia.
From: nospam on
In article <slrnhoc46r.h1l.gsm(a)cable.mendelson.com>, Geoffrey S.
Mendelson <gsm(a)cable.mendelson.com> wrote:

> Yes there was an internet and you could get the updates from FTP. Bear in mind
> that an 800k disk image was enourmous in those days, so few people did.

technically there was an internet, but it wasn't anything like it is
now. very few people were on the 'net and even fewer knew where to ftp
the images. it was also via slow modems.

> User groups could get the disks directly from Apple and could make copies
> for their members. Groups that have such disks can still legally do so.
> They also could post their disk images on BBS and ftp sites (and later
> FTP sites) until around 2003 when Apple asked them all to take them down.

that was *far* more common.

> System 7.1 was different. It included software not owned by Apple, and
> was only sold. It never was or is available for download, however if you
> searched the web, you could find copies for download outside of the US
> and the reach of Apple copyright lawyers.

you can do that for pretty much anything...
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