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From: linnix on 24 Jun 2010 12:47 On Jun 24, 2:40 am, Ulf Samuelsson <nospam....(a)atmel.com> wrote: > linnix skrev: > > > On Jun 18, 6:16 am, "StoneThrower" <digi_64- > > public[removethis]@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>> Reading the responses to this question were really interesting. Thanks for > >>> posting it. It sounds like most engineers look at price, package, > >>> performance and peripheral mix when picking a micro. > >> Thanks noticing it, I am very well aware of ARM, but AVR32 as well, simply > >> being long-time customer of Atmel parts, without intention to become AVR32 > >> evangelist, but strongly inclined towards it. > > >> What's particulary of interest to me, is attempt to, at least a bit, > >> understand what's going on in Atmel menager's minds "these days", and how > >> they position actually two competing architectures under the same roof.. > > > Three architectures under the same root: AVR, AVR32 and ARM. As a > > result, Atmel does not offer high end AVR or low end AVR32/ARM. > > With the UC3L, SAM3S16 you go down to 16 kB flash and 48 pins. I don't see this part on Digikey, so I can't really comfirm the price. Projected price would be around $2, based on the $3 64K SAM3S. However, the 8K LPC1111 is around $1. > This is about the same size as the smallest XMEGA. > > I guess you are looking for 32 pin 4-8 kB then. > From a cost point of view, the 8 bitters will be cheaper, > so there must be a motivation to use a 32 bitter. Yes, over 100KSPS A2D. > Obsiously if you are using 1 ku/year, using the same toolset might be > one. Then again, at 4 kB, even IAR is for free. I might buy a few hundreds, but the customer needs pricing data for 10Ku and 100Ku. > > > Also > > my personal observations with Atmel is that the price/qty curves are > > very flat. There are not much saving in 10Ku, 1Ku vs. 100 units. > > Other ARMs (TI/NXP) have more normal price/qty curves. > > Best regards > Ulf Samuelsson
From: Ulf Samuelsson on 24 Jun 2010 18:33 linnix skrev: > On Jun 24, 2:40 am, Ulf Samuelsson <nospam....(a)atmel.com> wrote: >> linnix skrev: >> >>> On Jun 18, 6:16 am, "StoneThrower" <digi_64- >>> public[removethis]@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> Reading the responses to this question were really interesting. Thanks for >>>>> posting it. It sounds like most engineers look at price, package, >>>>> performance and peripheral mix when picking a micro. >>>> Thanks noticing it, I am very well aware of ARM, but AVR32 as well, simply >>>> being long-time customer of Atmel parts, without intention to become AVR32 >>>> evangelist, but strongly inclined towards it. >>>> What's particulary of interest to me, is attempt to, at least a bit, >>>> understand what's going on in Atmel menager's minds "these days", and how >>>> they position actually two competing architectures under the same roof. >>> Three architectures under the same root: AVR, AVR32 and ARM. As a >>> result, Atmel does not offer high end AVR or low end AVR32/ARM. >> With the UC3L, SAM3S16 you go down to 16 kB flash and 48 pins. > > I don't see this part on Digikey, so I can't really comfirm the > price. Projected price would be around $2, based on the $3 64K > SAM3S. However, the 8K LPC1111 is around $1. > >> This is about the same size as the smallest XMEGA. >> >> I guess you are looking for 32 pin 4-8 kB then. >> From a cost point of view, the 8 bitters will be cheaper, >> so there must be a motivation to use a 32 bitter. > > Yes, over 100KSPS A2D. The ATXMEGA16A4 can do > 1 MSample @ 12 bit. The AT90PWMx series offers 125 ksamples/s & 8 kB flash, so there are 8 bit alternatives. > >> Obsiously if you are using 1 ku/year, using the same toolset might be >> one. Then again, at 4 kB, even IAR is for free. > > I might buy a few hundreds, but the customer needs pricing data for > 10Ku and 100Ku. > >>> Also >>> my personal observations with Atmel is that the price/qty curves are >>> very flat. There are not much saving in 10Ku, 1Ku vs. 100 units. >>> Other ARMs (TI/NXP) have more normal price/qty curves. Best regards Ulf Samuelsson
From: linnix on 24 Jun 2010 19:01
> The ATXMEGA16A4 can do > 1 MSample @ 12 bit. > The AT90PWMx series offers 125 ksamples/s & 8 kB flash, > so there are 8 bit alternatives. But they are around $2. It's hard to argue against the $1 LPC1111. |