From: mpc755 on
On Nov 27, 10:23 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Aether is an elastic medium and does not rest when displaced. It
> pushes back. When matter displaces the aether, the pressure the aether
> exerts back towards the matter is gravity.
>
> When a C-60 molecule is used in a double slit experiment, the
> displacement wave the C-60 molecule creates in the aether enters and
> exits multiple slits while the C-60 molecule enters and exits a single
> slit.
>
> A=Mc^2 where A is aether and M is matter.
>
> 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A.
> EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf
>
> "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
> diminishes by L/c2."
>
> The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer
> exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as
> aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three
> dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether
> and matter is energy.

When discussing the concept of the Sun 'curving' 'spacetime', what is
being curved? It cannot be three dimensional space because the Sun now
occupies that three dimensional space and in terms of three
dimensional space, nothing has changed.

So, the Sun is 'curving' something. The Sun is 'curving' something
physical. The Sun is 'curving' some kind of stuff.

Aether, quantum foam, plenum,... are all labels placed on the 'stuff
of space'.

Yes, aether has a lot of baggage, but it is what it is.

And 'displaced' is a better concept than 'curved'.

Displaced not only works for 'curved' spacetime, but also works for
the observed behaviors of a double slit experiment with C-60
molecules. The moving C-60 molecule displaces aether which forms a
wave, just like a boat creates a bow wave in water.

So, it's Aether Displacement.

Aether Displacement: The most correct physical unified theory to date.
From: glird on
On Dec 8, 4:15 pm, mpc755 wrote:
On Dec 8, 1:49 pm, NoEinstein wrote:
>< Dear glird: Your opening statement seems to say...
"When ether is moved, it doesn't rest." (That's quite 'profound',
but probably not what you thought you were saying.) Gravity, indeed,
relates to what happens with the ether. {1} "Varying ether flow and
density", even within matter, is the MECHANISM of gravity. {2} Matter
doesn't displace ether {3}, it admits the ether in proportion to the
internal loss of ether from light or heat emissions. {4} Flowing ether
(gravity) is slowed in passing through matter in direct proportion to
the atomic weight of the matter. {5}

1. YES.
2. No.
3. Wrong! Even an atom displaces the background matter,
4. Where did you get the idea that the emission of light or heat is
associated with the internal loss of ether in the source-body? Even
though that is correct!!! (see "the flower" - an equation for the
value of Planck's quantum of action, h) it has nothing to do with
ether flowing back. Indeed, if the amount of ether that flowed in was
equal to the amount that flowed out, then neither light nor heat nor
anything else would be emitted.
5. Every part of that statement is false.

mpc: The 'aether is not at rest when displaced' is my statement, not
glird's. glird and I have similar concepts about how aether (or if I
can interpret glird's preferred description of 'empty space', 'matter
in its base state') is displaced by matter.
When you say, 'Flowing ether (gravity) is slowed down in passing
through matter in direct proportion to the atomic weight of the
matter', that is Aether Displacement. >

It is false regardless of how it is said.
Gravity is not an aether flow nor is it caused by aether flowing
through or past particles. Indeed, in the dilute vacuum of outer space
there is such an ENORMOUS number of atoms per square cm that there is
no place where even a small unit such as a molecule could displace
matter in its base (i.e. non-particulate) state.
(Actually, at subatomic levels of size there is no such thing as a
homogenous material. That's why Einstein was right in using deltax'/
delta/x instead of dx'/dx. It's also why, however, there is no such
thing at any level of size as an inertially moving system!
And THAT - believe it or not - is why the "Restricted" theory of
relativity is and always was a figment of the imagination; while GR,
which maps the structure and rates of actions at ALL levels of size,
actually does fit physical reality.

mpc: What happens to the aether in front of the C-60 molecule that is
being 'slowed down' by the C-60 molecule? It is being displaced by the
C-60 molecule. {1}
Think about what you are saying as to 'Flowing ether is slowed down
by passing through matter' and relate that to a boat and its bow wave.
{2} If the boat had tiny holes drilled throughout it where some of the
water was able to pass through the boat, the water which was 'slowed
down'
relative to the boat is the bow wave. {3}
The same thing occurs when a C-60 molecule is used in a double slit
experiment. Some small amount of aether may be flowing through the
C-60 molecule, but the great majority of aether is being displaced by
the moving C-60 molecule. {3a}
In Aether Displacement, the C-60 molecule is always detected exiting
a single slit because it always exits a single slit {4} and it is the
displacement wave (i.e. bow wave) the C-60 molecule creates in the
aether which enters and exits multiple slits. (5)

1. When a molecule moves it displaces the material filling he local
space. in the process of being displaced, the material flows around
the molecule or any other discrete moving object.
2. Yes, that displaced material is analogous to a bow wave, but it had
speeded up rather than slowed down in the process of passing the
boat.
On the atomic scale of size, there are several other things that
happen as a consequence of that process. One is that the density
changes in the displaced matter and as that happens so does the
pressure. Another is that the direction of a vector representing the
pressure against the sides of a moving object has 2 components, one
perpendicular to the surface and the other aslant. Therefore the net
pressure against the surface of a displacing object will have dropped,
compared to the wider field, so matter will be pushed toward that
surface from BOTH sides, the outside and the inside. THAT is the
mechanism by which atoms form.
3. A molecule has no holes.
It has a surface tension layer that is denser than that of the
material it surrounds and FAR denser than the outside material through
which it is able to move.
3a. ALL of the surrounding ether is displaced. Even so, because all
matter is compressible, the amount of that displacement per unit
volume rapidly decreases as the distance from the displacing surface
increases.
4. At best, the word "always" renders that entire sentence a
tautology. {At worst, if "the C-60 molecule is always detected
exiting a single slit because it always exits a single slit" then "In
Aether Displacement" is irrelevant.}
5. Yes, but...

glird
From: mpc755 on
On Dec 9, 12:22 pm, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> On Dec 8, 4:15 pm, mpc755 wrote:
> On Dec 8, 1:49 pm, NoEinstein wrote:>< Dear glird:  Your opening statement seems to say...
>
>  "When ether is  moved, it doesn't rest."  (That's quite 'profound',
> but probably not  what you thought you were saying.)  Gravity, indeed,
> relates to what happens with the ether. {1} "Varying ether flow and
> density", even within matter, is the MECHANISM of gravity. {2} Matter
> doesn't displace ether {3}, it admits the ether in proportion to the
> internal loss of ether from light or heat emissions. {4} Flowing ether
> (gravity) is slowed in passing through matter in direct proportion to
> the atomic weight of the matter. {5}
>
> 1. YES.
> 2. No.
> 3. Wrong!  Even an atom displaces the background matter,
> 4. Where did you get the idea that the emission of light or heat is
> associated with the internal loss of ether in the source-body?  Even
> though that is correct!!! (see "the flower" - an equation for the
> value of Planck's quantum of action, h) it has nothing to do with
> ether flowing back. Indeed, if the amount of ether that flowed in was
> equal to the amount that flowed out, then neither light nor heat nor
> anything else would be emitted.
> 5. Every part of that statement is false.
>
> mpc: The 'aether is not at rest when displaced' is my statement, not
> glird's. glird and I have similar concepts about how aether (or if I
> can interpret glird's preferred description of 'empty space', 'matter
> in its base state') is displaced by matter.
>   When you say, 'Flowing ether (gravity) is slowed down in passing
> through matter in direct proportion to the atomic weight of the
> matter', that is Aether Displacement. >
>
>   It is false regardless of how it is said.
>   Gravity is not an aether flow nor is it caused by aether flowing
> through or past particles. Indeed, in the dilute vacuum of outer space
> there is such an ENORMOUS number of atoms per square cm that there is
> no place where even a small unit such as a molecule could displace
> matter in its base (i.e. non-particulate) state.
> (Actually, at subatomic levels of size there is no such thing as a
> homogenous material. That's why Einstein was right in using deltax'/
> delta/x instead of dx'/dx. It's also why, however, there is no such
> thing at any level of size as an inertially moving system!
>   And THAT - believe it or not - is why the "Restricted" theory of
> relativity is and always was a figment of the imagination; while GR,
> which maps the structure and rates of actions at ALL levels of size,
> actually does fit physical reality.
>
> mpc: What happens to the aether in front of the C-60 molecule that is
> being 'slowed down' by the C-60 molecule? It is being displaced by the
> C-60 molecule. {1}
>   Think about what you are saying as to 'Flowing ether is slowed down
> by passing through matter' and relate that to a boat and its bow wave.
> {2} If the boat had tiny holes drilled throughout it where some of the
> water was able to pass through the boat, the water which was 'slowed
> down'
> relative to the boat is the bow wave. {3}
>   The same thing occurs when a C-60 molecule is used in a double slit
> experiment. Some small amount of aether may be flowing through the
> C-60 molecule, but the great majority of aether is being displaced by
> the moving C-60 molecule. {3a}
>   In Aether Displacement, the C-60 molecule is always detected exiting
> a single slit because it always exits a single slit {4} and it is the
> displacement wave (i.e. bow wave) the C-60 molecule creates in the
> aether which enters and exits multiple slits. (5)
>
> 1. When a molecule moves it displaces the material filling he local
> space. in the process of being displaced, the material flows around
> the molecule or any other discrete moving object.
> 2. Yes, that displaced material is analogous to a bow wave, but it had
> speeded up rather than slowed down in the process of passing the
> boat.
>  On the atomic scale of size, there are several other things that
> happen as a consequence of that process. One is that the density
> changes in the displaced matter and as that happens so does the
> pressure.  Another is that the direction of a vector representing the
> pressure against the sides of a moving object has 2 components, one
> perpendicular to the surface and the other aslant. Therefore the net
> pressure against the surface of a displacing object will have dropped,
> compared to the wider field, so matter will be pushed toward that
> surface from BOTH sides, the outside and the inside.  THAT is the
> mechanism by which atoms form.
> 3. A molecule has no holes.
>  It has a surface tension layer that is denser than that of the
> material it surrounds and FAR denser than the outside material through
> which it is able to move.
> 3a. ALL of the surrounding ether is displaced.  Even so, because all
> matter is compressible, the amount of that displacement per unit
> volume rapidly decreases as the distance from the displacing surface
> increases.
> 4. At best, the word "always" renders that entire sentence a
> tautology.  {At worst, if "the C-60 molecule is always detected
> exiting a single slit because it always exits a single slit" then "In
> Aether Displacement" is irrelevant.}
> 5.  Yes, but...
>
> glird

In the photoelectric effect, when the photon interacts with the
metallic surface, the photon collapses into a quantum of aether and
this quantum of aether physically 'enters' and occupies three
dimensional space within the metal, causing an electron to be emitted.
From: glird on
On Dec 8, 7:05 pm, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote:
> >> > Gravity, indeed, relates to what happens with the ether>
>
>< So why, if there are two masses sitting in space, does the 'aether' make them accelerate toward each other.  But if there is one object, it just sits there. >

It isn't the aether per se that causes that to happen, it is the
density gradient IN and OF the aether that causes an accelerative
force to arise INSIDE of each embedded body.

>< If anything, the presence of one mass displacing aether would push the other object away, not bring them closer. >

In my terms, "the aether" denotes the continuous aspect of the
material in a given space; whether or not it is homogeneous and even
if discrete particles are present as parts of that one continuous
field.
The presence of one particle DOES displace some of the material that
would otherwise have been there, and the displacement wave WOULD push
two particles apart. But that has nothing to do with gravity.

glird
From: mpc755 on
On Dec 9, 12:46 pm, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> On Dec 8, 7:05 pm, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > Gravity, indeed, relates to what happens with the ether>
>
> >< So why, if there are two masses sitting in space, does the 'aether' make them accelerate toward each other.  But if there is one object, it just sits there. >
>
>  It isn't the aether per se that causes that to happen, it is the
> density gradient IN and OF the aether that causes an accelerative
> force to arise INSIDE of each embedded body.
>
> >< If anything, the presence of one mass displacing aether would push the other object away, not bring them closer. >
>
>   In my terms, "the aether" denotes the continuous aspect of the
> material in a given space; whether or not it is homogeneous and even
> if discrete particles are present as parts of that one continuous
> field.
>   The presence of one particle DOES displace some of the material that
> would otherwise have been there, and the displacement wave WOULD push
> two particles apart. But that has nothing to do with gravity.
>
> glird

I prefer the concept of what we consider to be the Sun to end where
the matter (i.e. non-aether matter) of the Sun ends. Again, if you
have a bowling ball with a million tiny wholes drilled throughout it
and you put it in a tube of water and you spin it, water exists
throughout the bowling ball but we consider the bowling ball to be the
matter which is not the water.

The Sun is creating a displacement wave (i.e. gravity wave) but this
wave is not going to push the planets away from the Sun. The Sun's
displaced aether which extends to the edge of the solar system and is
pushing back is gravity.

I also prefer to stay away from using the term 'density' when
discussing displaced aether. For now at least, we are better off just
discussing Aether Displacement in terms of pressure. When the bowling
ball is places into the tank of water, the water is displaced. The
water exerts a pressure back towards the bowling ball but we do not
discuss the 'density' of the water.

There has always been a pressure (pun intended) to add in the property
of density, but the less properties we apply to the aether the better
and the property the aether does require at this point is to not be at
rest when displaced and to be matter when compressed.