From: BURT on 5 Dec 2009 23:10 On Dec 5, 8:01 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > Choosing to believe a moving C-60 molecule, 60 interconnected atoms, > > enters, travels through, and exits multiple slits simultaneously > > without requiring energy, releasing energy, or having a change in > > momentum, is a more correct physical description of the observed > > behaviors of C-60 molecules in a double slit experiment vs. the moving > > C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether is incorrect. > > C60 is neither wave nor particle. It is indeterminate whether it is > one or the other. > > If you ASK "which way" then nature will tell you, simply because you > modified the very nature of the experiment by asking such a question > in the first place. It behaves like a particle because that is the > FORMAT of the output required by the question "which way?" . > > If you do NOT ask which way, then it behaves like a wave. > > The experiments and the evidence has been repeated thousands of times > in labs all over the world. C60 is not a wave, and is not a particle. > It is indeterminately either one or the other. And if you ask a > certain way, you will get a corresponding output. > > The only way to model this sensibly is by using a composition of > existent magnitudes and nonexistent magnitudes. THAT makes sense where > nothing else can. Why would any one have to think at this time that we would have an accurate model at all? I want to know what will be considered smart in a million years. That is what I want to know. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 5 Dec 2009 23:14 On Dec 5, 11:01 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > Choosing to believe a moving C-60 molecule, 60 interconnected atoms, > > enters, travels through, and exits multiple slits simultaneously > > without requiring energy, releasing energy, or having a change in > > momentum, is a more correct physical description of the observed > > behaviors of C-60 molecules in a double slit experiment vs. the moving > > C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether is incorrect. > > C60 is neither wave nor particle. It is indeterminate whether it is > one or the other. > > If you ASK "which way" then nature will tell you, simply because you > modified the very nature of the experiment by asking such a question > in the first place. It behaves like a particle because that is the > FORMAT of the output required by the question "which way?" . > > If you do NOT ask which way, then it behaves like a wave. > > The experiments and the evidence has been repeated thousands of times > in labs all over the world. C60 is not a wave, and is not a particle. > It is indeterminately either one or the other. And if you ask a > certain way, you will get a corresponding output. > > The only way to model this sensibly is by using a composition of > existent magnitudes and nonexistent magnitudes. THAT makes sense where > nothing else can. Nonsense. The particle is on a deterministic path. The C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether. It is no different than a boat in the water passing through one of multiple slits. The bow wave the boat creates in the water enters and exits the slits ahead of the boat. The waves that exit the slits the boat does not travel through will pass out ahead of the path the boat is traveling and create interference with all of the waves that are exiting all of the slits ahead of the boat. This interference will alter the direction the boat travels. If you place buoys at the exits to all of the slits and the buoys turn the bow wave into chop and interference does not occur and the direction the boat travels is not altered, do you say if you ASK 'which way' so the boat behaved like a particle? Do you say if you do not ASK 'which way' and the direction the boat travels is altered than the boat behaves like a wave? Of course not, you realize the boat is creating a bow wave in the water. There is a boat and a wave. The double slit experiment performed with C-60 molecules is no different than a boat in the water. The C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether. There is a C-60 molecule and a wave.
From: mpc755 on 5 Dec 2009 23:20 On Dec 5, 11:01 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > Choosing to believe a moving C-60 molecule, 60 interconnected atoms, > > enters, travels through, and exits multiple slits simultaneously > > without requiring energy, releasing energy, or having a change in > > momentum, is a more correct physical description of the observed > > behaviors of C-60 molecules in a double slit experiment vs. the moving > > C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether is incorrect. > > C60 is neither wave nor particle. It is indeterminate whether it is > one or the other. > > If you ASK "which way" then nature will tell you, simply because you > modified the very nature of the experiment by asking such a question > in the first place. It behaves like a particle because that is the > FORMAT of the output required by the question "which way?" . > > If you do NOT ask which way, then it behaves like a wave. > > The experiments and the evidence has been repeated thousands of times > in labs all over the world. C60 is not a wave, and is not a particle. > It is indeterminately either one or the other. And if you ask a > certain way, you will get a corresponding output. > > The only way to model this sensibly is by using a composition of > existent magnitudes and nonexistent magnitudes. THAT makes sense where > nothing else can. Nonsense. The particle is on a deterministic path. The C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether. It is no different than a boat in the water passing through one of multiple slits. The bow wave the boat creates in the water enters and exits the slits ahead of the boat. The waves that exit the slits the boat does not travel through will pass out ahead of the path the boat is traveling and create interference with all of the waves that are exiting all of the slits ahead of the boat. This interference will alter the direction the boat travels. If you place buoys at the exits to all of the slits and the buoys turn the bow wave into chop and interference does not occur and the direction the boat travels is not altered, do you say the buoys represent ASKING 'which way' so the boat behaved like a particle? If you do not place any buoys at the exits to the slits and the bow wave exiting all of the slits creates interference and alters the direction the boat travels, do you say since there being no buoys represents not ASKING 'which way' so the boat behaves like a wave? Of course not, you realize the boat is creating a bow wave in the water. There is a boat and a wave. The double slit experiment performed with C-60 molecules is no different than a boat in the water. The C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether.
From: mpc755 on 5 Dec 2009 23:23 On Dec 5, 11:01 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > Choosing to believe a moving C-60 molecule, 60 interconnected atoms, > > enters, travels through, and exits multiple slits simultaneously > > without requiring energy, releasing energy, or having a change in > > momentum, is a more correct physical description of the observed > > behaviors of C-60 molecules in a double slit experiment vs. the moving > > C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether is incorrect. > > C60 is neither wave nor particle. It is indeterminate whether it is > one or the other. > > If you ASK "which way" then nature will tell you, simply because you > modified the very nature of the experiment by asking such a question > in the first place. It behaves like a particle because that is the > FORMAT of the output required by the question "which way?" . > > If you do NOT ask which way, then it behaves like a wave. > > The experiments and the evidence has been repeated thousands of times > in labs all over the world. C60 is not a wave, and is not a particle. > It is indeterminately either one or the other. And if you ask a > certain way, you will get a corresponding output. > > The only way to model this sensibly is by using a composition of > existent magnitudes and nonexistent magnitudes. THAT makes sense where > nothing else can. onsense. The particle is on a deterministic path. The C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether. It is no different than a boat in the water passing through one of multiple slits. The bow wave the boat creates in the water enters and exits the slits ahead of the boat. The waves that exit the slits the boat does not travel through will pass out ahead of the path the boat is traveling and create interference with all of the waves that are exiting all of the slits ahead of the boat. This interference will alter the direction the boat travels. If you place buoys at the exits to all of the slits and the buoys turn the bow wave into chop and interference does not occur and the direction the boat travels is not altered, do you say the buoys represent ASKING 'which way' so the boat behaved like a particle? If you do not place any buoys at the exits to the slits and the bow wave exiting all of the slits creates interference and alters the direction the boat travels, do you say since there being no buoys represents not ASKING 'which way' so the boat behaves like a wave? Of course not, you realize the boat is creating a bow wave in the water. There is a boat and a wave. The double slit experiment performed with C-60 molecules is no different than a boat in the water. The C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether. There is a C-60 molecule and a wave.
From: mpc755 on 5 Dec 2009 23:24
On Dec 5, 11:01 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > Choosing to believe a moving C-60 molecule, 60 interconnected atoms, > > enters, travels through, and exits multiple slits simultaneously > > without requiring energy, releasing energy, or having a change in > > momentum, is a more correct physical description of the observed > > behaviors of C-60 molecules in a double slit experiment vs. the moving > > C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether is incorrect. > > C60 is neither wave nor particle. It is indeterminate whether it is > one or the other. > > If you ASK "which way" then nature will tell you, simply because you > modified the very nature of the experiment by asking such a question > in the first place. It behaves like a particle because that is the > FORMAT of the output required by the question "which way?" . > > If you do NOT ask which way, then it behaves like a wave. > > The experiments and the evidence has been repeated thousands of times > in labs all over the world. C60 is not a wave, and is not a particle. > It is indeterminately either one or the other. And if you ask a > certain way, you will get a corresponding output. > > The only way to model this sensibly is by using a composition of > existent magnitudes and nonexistent magnitudes. THAT makes sense where > nothing else can. Nonsense. The particle is on a deterministic path. The C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether. It is no different than a boat in the water passing through one of multiple slits. The bow wave the boat creates in the water enters and exits the slits ahead of the boat. The waves that exit the slits the boat does not travel through will pass out ahead of the path the boat is traveling and create interference with all of the waves that are exiting all of the slits ahead of the boat. This interference will alter the direction the boat travels. If you place buoys at the exits to all of the slits and the buoys turn the bow wave into chop and interference does not occur and the direction the boat travels is not altered, do you say the buoys represent ASKING 'which way' so the boat behaved like a particle? If you do not place any buoys at the exits to the slits and the bow wave exiting all of the slits creates interference and alters the direction the boat travels, do you say since there being no buoys represents not ASKING 'which way' so the boat behaves like a wave? Of course not, you realize the boat is creating a bow wave in the water. There is a boat and a wave. The double slit experiment performed with C-60 molecules is no different than a boat in the water. The C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether. There is a C-60 molecule and a wave. |