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From: mpc755 on 1 Apr 2010 20:26 On Apr 1, 6:04 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > so, what are the properties of a fullerene, > that would make it an especially good subject > for the two-hole (Young) experiment? > Probably its symmetry allowing for it to have a coherent displacement wave. > "turns it into chop" -- you mean, > like choppy seas, and what *does* that mean? > The coherence of the physical displacement wave in the aether is lost. The wave no longer has a constant relative phase.
From: mpc755 on 1 Apr 2010 20:27 On Apr 1, 7:14 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Apr 1, 2:23 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 1, 5:16 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 1, 1:59 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 1, 4:41 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 31, 9:55 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 1, 12:45 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mar 31, 9:09 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mar 31, 11:56 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > A moving C-60 molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. The > > > > > > > > > > C-60 molecule itself occupies a very small region of the wave. The > > > > > > > > > > C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit in a double slit > > > > > > > > > > experiment. The associated aether displacement wave enters and exits > > > > > > > > > > the available slits. > > > > > > > > > > > The C60 molecule could easily be replaced with any other molecular > > > > > > > > > form and they will always have the exact same quantum macro aether > > > > > > > > > wave. Free electric particles can wave collapse taking the macro > > > > > > > > > aether wave with them. > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > The C-60 molecule can be replaced by any 'particle', including a > > > > > > > > photon. > > > > > > > > > Every moving physical 'particle' has an associated physical aether > > > > > > > > wave. > > > > > > > > > The size of the associated aether wave will be determined by the > > > > > > > > 'particles' momentum. > > > > > > > > > 'Particle' is in quotes because it is my assumption a photon is a > > > > > > > > directed/pointed wave where the 'particle' is part of the wave and > > > > > > > > consists of a very small region of the overall photon wave. > > > > > > > > > The photon 'particle' is detected as a quantum of matter. > > > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave%E2%80%93particle_duality > > > > > > > > > "His 1924 doctoral thesis, Recherches sur la théorie des quanta > > > > > > > > (Research on Quantum Theory), introduced his theory of electron waves. > > > > > > > > This included the wave-particle duality theory of matter, based on > > > > > > > > the work of Albert Einstein and Max Planck on light. The thesis > > > > > > > > examiners, unsure of the material, passed his thesis to Einstein for > > > > > > > > evaluation who endorsed his wave-particle duality proposal > > > > > > > > wholeheartedly; de Broglie was awarded his doctorate. This research > > > > > > > > culminated in the de Broglie hypothesis stating that any moving > > > > > > > > particle or object had an associated wave. De Broglie thus created a > > > > > > > > new field in physics, the mécanique ondulatoire, or wave mechanics, > > > > > > > > uniting the physics of light and matter. For this he won the Nobel > > > > > > > > Prize in Physics in 1929. Among the applications of this work has been > > > > > > > > the development of electron microscopes to get much better image > > > > > > > > resolution than optical ones, because of the shorter wavelengths of > > > > > > > > electrons compared with photons. > > > > > > > > > In his later career, de Broglie worked to develop a causal explanation > > > > > > > > of wave mechanics, in opposition to the wholly probabilistic models > > > > > > > > which dominate quantum mechanical theory. Today, this explanation is > > > > > > > > known as the de BroglieBohm theory, since it was refined by David > > > > > > > > Bohm in the 1950s." > > > > > > > > > de Broglie was correct. > > > > > > > > The aether wave passes through two slits in an experiment but where in > > > > > > > nature does that same event happen? Where in nature is there two > > > > > > > slits? > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > You are confusing the ability of the photon to create an interference > > > > > > pattern in a double slit experiment with the ability of the photon to > > > > > > collapse and be detected as a quantum of matter. > > > > > > > In the photoelectric effect experiment, photons are physically > > > > > > entering and occupying three dimensional space in the metal as quanta > > > > > > of matter which causes electrons to be emitted. > > > > > > > When a photon enters your eye it collapses and is detected as a > > > > > > quantum of matter. This quantum of matter then 'radiates as heat'. > > > > > > What is occurring after the photon is detected as a quantum of matter > > > > > > is there is still an aether wave but it 'dissipates'. Think of an > > > > > > ocean wave which propagates through a channel and is 'detected' by a > > > > > > bunch of buoys. The wave still exists but it 'dissipates'. > > > > > > > The aether wave 'dissipates' by interacting with matter which > > > > > > generates heat.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Where in nature are there two slits? > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > You are confusing the interference pattern the photon is able to > > > > create in a double slit experiment with the photon's ability to > > > > collapse and be detected as a quantum of matter. > > > > > When the photon hits your eye there is no 'two slits'. When the photon > > > > hits your eye it collapses and is detected as a quantum of matter. > > > > > There are no 'slits' in the photoelectric effect experiment. The > > > > photon physically enters and occupies three dimensional space in the > > > > metal as a quantum of matter.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > In your example the C-60 molecule goes through two slits. Where does > > > that happen to molecules in nature? > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > The C-60 molecule always enters and exits a single slit in a double > > slit experiment. It is the associated aether displacement wave which > > enters and exits the available slits. The aether displacement wave > > creates interference upon exiting the slits which alters the direction > > the C-60 molecule travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes > > decoherence of the associated aether displacement wave (i.e. turns it > > into chop) and there is no interference.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Should not the aether wave be divided by the matter partition > inbetween and come back together on the other side in order to self > interfere? > > Mitch Raemsch That's exactly what occurs. The direction the C-60 molecule travels is altered by this interference.
From: BURT on 1 Apr 2010 20:30 On Apr 1, 5:27 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 1, 7:14 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 1, 2:23 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 1, 5:16 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 1, 1:59 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 1, 4:41 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 31, 9:55 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Apr 1, 12:45 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mar 31, 9:09 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 31, 11:56 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > A moving C-60 molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. The > > > > > > > > > > > C-60 molecule itself occupies a very small region of the wave. The > > > > > > > > > > > C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit in a double slit > > > > > > > > > > > experiment. The associated aether displacement wave enters and exits > > > > > > > > > > > the available slits. > > > > > > > > > > > > The C60 molecule could easily be replaced with any other molecular > > > > > > > > > > form and they will always have the exact same quantum macro aether > > > > > > > > > > wave. Free electric particles can wave collapse taking the macro > > > > > > > > > > aether wave with them. > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > The C-60 molecule can be replaced by any 'particle', including a > > > > > > > > > photon. > > > > > > > > > > Every moving physical 'particle' has an associated physical aether > > > > > > > > > wave. > > > > > > > > > > The size of the associated aether wave will be determined by the > > > > > > > > > 'particles' momentum. > > > > > > > > > > 'Particle' is in quotes because it is my assumption a photon is a > > > > > > > > > directed/pointed wave where the 'particle' is part of the wave and > > > > > > > > > consists of a very small region of the overall photon wave. > > > > > > > > > > The photon 'particle' is detected as a quantum of matter. > > > > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave%E2%80%93particle_duality > > > > > > > > > > "His 1924 doctoral thesis, Recherches sur la théorie des quanta > > > > > > > > > (Research on Quantum Theory), introduced his theory of electron waves. > > > > > > > > > This included the wave-particle duality theory of matter, based on > > > > > > > > > the work of Albert Einstein and Max Planck on light. The thesis > > > > > > > > > examiners, unsure of the material, passed his thesis to Einstein for > > > > > > > > > evaluation who endorsed his wave-particle duality proposal > > > > > > > > > wholeheartedly; de Broglie was awarded his doctorate. This research > > > > > > > > > culminated in the de Broglie hypothesis stating that any moving > > > > > > > > > particle or object had an associated wave. De Broglie thus created a > > > > > > > > > new field in physics, the mécanique ondulatoire, or wave mechanics, > > > > > > > > > uniting the physics of light and matter. For this he won the Nobel > > > > > > > > > Prize in Physics in 1929. Among the applications of this work has been > > > > > > > > > the development of electron microscopes to get much better image > > > > > > > > > resolution than optical ones, because of the shorter wavelengths of > > > > > > > > > electrons compared with photons. > > > > > > > > > > In his later career, de Broglie worked to develop a causal explanation > > > > > > > > > of wave mechanics, in opposition to the wholly probabilistic models > > > > > > > > > which dominate quantum mechanical theory. Today, this explanation is > > > > > > > > > known as the de BroglieBohm theory, since it was refined by David > > > > > > > > > Bohm in the 1950s." > > > > > > > > > > de Broglie was correct. > > > > > > > > > The aether wave passes through two slits in an experiment but where in > > > > > > > > nature does that same event happen? Where in nature is there two > > > > > > > > slits? > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > You are confusing the ability of the photon to create an interference > > > > > > > pattern in a double slit experiment with the ability of the photon to > > > > > > > collapse and be detected as a quantum of matter. > > > > > > > > In the photoelectric effect experiment, photons are physically > > > > > > > entering and occupying three dimensional space in the metal as quanta > > > > > > > of matter which causes electrons to be emitted. > > > > > > > > When a photon enters your eye it collapses and is detected as a > > > > > > > quantum of matter. This quantum of matter then 'radiates as heat'. > > > > > > > What is occurring after the photon is detected as a quantum of matter > > > > > > > is there is still an aether wave but it 'dissipates'. Think of an > > > > > > > ocean wave which propagates through a channel and is 'detected' by a > > > > > > > bunch of buoys. The wave still exists but it 'dissipates'. > > > > > > > > The aether wave 'dissipates' by interacting with matter which > > > > > > > generates heat.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > Where in nature are there two slits? > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > You are confusing the interference pattern the photon is able to > > > > > create in a double slit experiment with the photon's ability to > > > > > collapse and be detected as a quantum of matter. > > > > > > When the photon hits your eye there is no 'two slits'. When the photon > > > > > hits your eye it collapses and is detected as a quantum of matter.. > > > > > > There are no 'slits' in the photoelectric effect experiment. The > > > > > photon physically enters and occupies three dimensional space in the > > > > > metal as a quantum of matter.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > In your example the C-60 molecule goes through two slits. Where does > > > > that happen to molecules in nature? > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > The C-60 molecule always enters and exits a single slit in a double > > > slit experiment. It is the associated aether displacement wave which > > > enters and exits the available slits. The aether displacement wave > > > creates interference upon exiting the slits which alters the direction > > > the C-60 molecule travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes > > > decoherence of the associated aether displacement wave (i.e. turns it > > > into chop) and there is no interference.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Should not the aether wave be divided by the matter partition > > inbetween and come back together on the other side in order to self > > interfere? > > > Mitch Raemsch > > That's exactly what occurs. The direction the C-60 molecule travels is > altered by this interference.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - So self interference is where it is at mpc! Though the center of the wave ought to be where the C-60 is located. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 1 Apr 2010 21:07 On Apr 1, 8:30 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Apr 1, 5:27 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 1, 7:14 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 1, 2:23 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 1, 5:16 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 1, 1:59 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 1, 4:41 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mar 31, 9:55 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 1, 12:45 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 31, 9:09 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 31, 11:56 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > A moving C-60 molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. The > > > > > > > > > > > > C-60 molecule itself occupies a very small region of the wave. The > > > > > > > > > > > > C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit in a double slit > > > > > > > > > > > > experiment. The associated aether displacement wave enters and exits > > > > > > > > > > > > the available slits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The C60 molecule could easily be replaced with any other molecular > > > > > > > > > > > form and they will always have the exact same quantum macro aether > > > > > > > > > > > wave. Free electric particles can wave collapse taking the macro > > > > > > > > > > > aether wave with them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > > The C-60 molecule can be replaced by any 'particle', including a > > > > > > > > > > photon. > > > > > > > > > > > Every moving physical 'particle' has an associated physical aether > > > > > > > > > > wave. > > > > > > > > > > > The size of the associated aether wave will be determined by the > > > > > > > > > > 'particles' momentum. > > > > > > > > > > > 'Particle' is in quotes because it is my assumption a photon is a > > > > > > > > > > directed/pointed wave where the 'particle' is part of the wave and > > > > > > > > > > consists of a very small region of the overall photon wave. > > > > > > > > > > > The photon 'particle' is detected as a quantum of matter. > > > > > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave%E2%80%93particle_duality > > > > > > > > > > > "His 1924 doctoral thesis, Recherches sur la théorie des quanta > > > > > > > > > > (Research on Quantum Theory), introduced his theory of electron waves. > > > > > > > > > > This included the wave-particle duality theory of matter, based on > > > > > > > > > > the work of Albert Einstein and Max Planck on light. The thesis > > > > > > > > > > examiners, unsure of the material, passed his thesis to Einstein for > > > > > > > > > > evaluation who endorsed his wave-particle duality proposal > > > > > > > > > > wholeheartedly; de Broglie was awarded his doctorate. This research > > > > > > > > > > culminated in the de Broglie hypothesis stating that any moving > > > > > > > > > > particle or object had an associated wave. De Broglie thus created a > > > > > > > > > > new field in physics, the mécanique ondulatoire, or wave mechanics, > > > > > > > > > > uniting the physics of light and matter. For this he won the Nobel > > > > > > > > > > Prize in Physics in 1929. Among the applications of this work has been > > > > > > > > > > the development of electron microscopes to get much better image > > > > > > > > > > resolution than optical ones, because of the shorter wavelengths of > > > > > > > > > > electrons compared with photons. > > > > > > > > > > > In his later career, de Broglie worked to develop a causal explanation > > > > > > > > > > of wave mechanics, in opposition to the wholly probabilistic models > > > > > > > > > > which dominate quantum mechanical theory. Today, this explanation is > > > > > > > > > > known as the de BroglieBohm theory, since it was refined by David > > > > > > > > > > Bohm in the 1950s." > > > > > > > > > > > de Broglie was correct. > > > > > > > > > > The aether wave passes through two slits in an experiment but where in > > > > > > > > > nature does that same event happen? Where in nature is there two > > > > > > > > > slits? > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > You are confusing the ability of the photon to create an interference > > > > > > > > pattern in a double slit experiment with the ability of the photon to > > > > > > > > collapse and be detected as a quantum of matter. > > > > > > > > > In the photoelectric effect experiment, photons are physically > > > > > > > > entering and occupying three dimensional space in the metal as quanta > > > > > > > > of matter which causes electrons to be emitted. > > > > > > > > > When a photon enters your eye it collapses and is detected as a > > > > > > > > quantum of matter. This quantum of matter then 'radiates as heat'. > > > > > > > > What is occurring after the photon is detected as a quantum of matter > > > > > > > > is there is still an aether wave but it 'dissipates'. Think of an > > > > > > > > ocean wave which propagates through a channel and is 'detected' by a > > > > > > > > bunch of buoys. The wave still exists but it 'dissipates'. > > > > > > > > > The aether wave 'dissipates' by interacting with matter which > > > > > > > > generates heat.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > Where in nature are there two slits? > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > You are confusing the interference pattern the photon is able to > > > > > > create in a double slit experiment with the photon's ability to > > > > > > collapse and be detected as a quantum of matter. > > > > > > > When the photon hits your eye there is no 'two slits'. When the photon > > > > > > hits your eye it collapses and is detected as a quantum of matter. > > > > > > > There are no 'slits' in the photoelectric effect experiment. The > > > > > > photon physically enters and occupies three dimensional space in the > > > > > > metal as a quantum of matter.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > In your example the C-60 molecule goes through two slits. Where does > > > > > that happen to molecules in nature? > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > The C-60 molecule always enters and exits a single slit in a double > > > > slit experiment. It is the associated aether displacement wave which > > > > enters and exits the available slits. The aether displacement wave > > > > creates interference upon exiting the slits which alters the direction > > > > the C-60 molecule travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes > > > > decoherence of the associated aether displacement wave (i.e. turns it > > > > into chop) and there is no interference.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Should not the aether wave be divided by the matter partition > > > inbetween and come back together on the other side in order to self > > > interfere? > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > That's exactly what occurs. The direction the C-60 molecule travels is > > altered by this interference.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > So self interference is where it is at mpc! You got it! Self interference of the associated aether wave. > Though the center of the wave ought to be where the C-60 is located. > > Mitch Raemsch There is a probability of finding the corpuscle at a particular point of the wave. 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE The wave nature of the electron Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929' http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-lecture.pdf "I must restrict myself to the assertion that when an observation is carried out enabling the localization of the corpuscle, the observer is invariably induced to assign to the corpuscle a position in the interior of the wave and the probability of it being at a particular point M of the wave is proportional to the square of the amplitude, that is to say the intensity at M."
From: spudnik on 1 Apr 2010 21:38
ah, you're still stuck on that non-interferometric device; well, have fun with it, and see if you can actually use it to explain, say, polarization of lightwaves. thank you & have a very nice rest of your life (and that's not a threat). > The 'electromagnetic wave energy' is the quantum of mather physically > entering and occupying three dimensional space in the metal. Photons, > quanta of matter, cause electrons to be emitted. thus: yeah, I've read of your "prefered concept of the photon," but the problem is "the photon." you are conflating two things: a) the detection; b) the propogation of the EM energy. well, I have just grabbed the first book at the libraary that I noticed, today, _A Theory of Waves_, and it is really quite nice & general in its treatment of classical & quantum, although the math is heavy for me. so, I looked in the index for "photon," but it doesn't seem to be required -- just like when Young destroyeed Newton's corpuscle, a hundred years, after him. just grab any such book & look, before you commit yourself to further handwaving aetherfluff; see if you can descibe any single of the many properties of lightwaves, other than the photoelectrical effect! yeah, and have a nice rest of your life, and maybe study some Shakespeare (if you're going to continue to attempt to use English; seriously). > A photon propagates as a wave. The photon 'particle' (i.e. the portion > of the wave which collapses when detected) occupies a very small > region of the overall photon aether wave. > > A photon is a particle when detected. > > Why are you obsessed with not understanding this? Will it force you to thus: Doppler-shifting of sound is an everyday occurence, but how much of the redshifting that is seen in the sky, is a whole another matter, whether it is due to velocity, or to the medium of space (unless, like certain aetherists, you believe in an absolute vacuum, and so did Pascal, when he measured it -- yeeha .-) as for "Newton's algebraic version of Kepler's orbital constraints, that he manifestly stole from Hooke," isn't the problem of spiral galaxies where the whole urstuff of darkmatter darkenergy quintesscence is gotten? Lightcones are dead; long-live Minkowski! > If you want to gain a "meaningful understanding of SR", you should study it. > If you want an "interpretation", focus on studying Minkowski space time.... > The frequency of a sound generated by a moving train definitely does really > change as its speed changes. Measure it for yourself if you don't believe it. thus: yeah; the funny thing was, the Earth of Gauss and of Aristarchus was a part of some cosmography. (you, however, may be in your own me-verse; so, how does Shroedinger's cat smell, these days , thereat ?-) > Groan. --Light: A History! http://21stcenturysciencetech.com --NASCAR rules on rotary engines! http://white-smoke.wetpaint.com |