An Alternate Theory of Gravity (proposed by mpc755)
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From: mpc755 on 29 Mar 2010 11:11 On Mar 29, 11:06 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 29, 10:58 am, dlzc <dl...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > > Dear mpc755: > > > On Mar 29, 7:30 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 29, 9:49 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On 3/29/10 8:46 AM, NoEinstein wrote: > > > > > > Aether is displaced matter.... > > > > > o has no measurable properties > > > > o is not detectable > > > > o doesn't exist > > > > You must have missed this post. > > > > A C-60 molecule is in the slit(s). While > > > the C-60 molecule is in the slit(s) > > > detectors are placed at the exits to the > > > slits. When there are detectors at the > > > exits to the slits the C-60 molecule is > > > always detected exiting a single slit. If > > > the detectors are placed and removed from > > > the exits to the slits while the C-60 > > > molecule is in the slit(s) the C-60 molecule > > > creates an interference pattern. > > > They are up to particles that are (barely) visible to the naked eye, > > by the way, to still show quantum behaviors. I figure cars are > > next... ;>) > > >http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124820013 > > (... probably enough memes there to lead to a published article) > > > > How is this possible with your > > > 'understanding' of nature? > > > The test apparatus provides a result based on the answer you seek. > > Slits, quantum particles, and detectors impress a bias; as well as the > > "fatlander" expectations that these start and end discretely, are > > confined in space, and are otherwise like "fatlander" objects such as > > billiard balls. > > > The need for an aether arises from imagining an otherwise unconnected > > collection of bodies in the Universe. Since we know such is not the > > case... > > > "fatlander" = macroscopic. > > > David A. Smith > > What are they 'seeing'? Are they seeing the impact the associated > aether displacement wave is having on the slit the C-60 molecule does > not travel through? That is what it sounds like is occurring: http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/03/scientists-drag-quantum-mechanics-into-the-visible-realm.ars "the device can convert a quantum state to mechanical oscillations and back. And (in the grand scheme of things), it's big." The experiment is detecting the associated wave in the external field. That is what is causing the oscillation. The particle itself still resides in a very small region of the wave.
From: mpc755 on 29 Mar 2010 11:12 On Mar 29, 11:11 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 29, 11:06 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 29, 10:58 am, dlzc <dl...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > Dear mpc755: > > > > On Mar 29, 7:30 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 29, 9:49 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On 3/29/10 8:46 AM, NoEinstein wrote: > > > > > > > Aether is displaced matter.... > > > > > > o has no measurable properties > > > > > o is not detectable > > > > > o doesn't exist > > > > > You must have missed this post. > > > > > A C-60 molecule is in the slit(s). While > > > > the C-60 molecule is in the slit(s) > > > > detectors are placed at the exits to the > > > > slits. When there are detectors at the > > > > exits to the slits the C-60 molecule is > > > > always detected exiting a single slit. If > > > > the detectors are placed and removed from > > > > the exits to the slits while the C-60 > > > > molecule is in the slit(s) the C-60 molecule > > > > creates an interference pattern. > > > > They are up to particles that are (barely) visible to the naked eye, > > > by the way, to still show quantum behaviors. I figure cars are > > > next... ;>) > > > >http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124820013 > > > (... probably enough memes there to lead to a published article) > > > > > How is this possible with your > > > > 'understanding' of nature? > > > > The test apparatus provides a result based on the answer you seek. > > > Slits, quantum particles, and detectors impress a bias; as well as the > > > "fatlander" expectations that these start and end discretely, are > > > confined in space, and are otherwise like "fatlander" objects such as > > > billiard balls. > > > > The need for an aether arises from imagining an otherwise unconnected > > > collection of bodies in the Universe. Since we know such is not the > > > case... > > > > "fatlander" = macroscopic. > > > > David A. Smith > > > What are they 'seeing'? Are they seeing the impact the associated > > aether displacement wave is having on the slit the C-60 molecule does > > not travel through? > > That is what it sounds like is occurring: > > http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/03/scientists-drag-quantum-m... > > "the device can convert a quantum state to mechanical oscillations and > back. And (in the grand scheme of things), it's big." > > The experiment is detecting the associated wave in the external field. > That is what is causing the oscillation. > > The particle itself still resides in a very small region of the wave. "The short, 17ns period before the energy is lost from the system means that there's not enough time for a careful study of the entanglement between the two systems" Before the aether dissipates.
From: Sam Wormley on 29 Mar 2010 11:16 On 3/29/10 9:30 AM, mpc755 wrote: > On Mar 29, 9:49 am, Sam Wormley<sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > On 3/29/10 8:46 AM, NoEinstein wrote: >> > >>> > > Aether is displaced matter.... >> > >> > o has no measurable properties >> > o is not detectable >> > o doesn't exist > You must have missed this post. > > A C-60 molecule is in the slit(s). Double-Slit Experiment With C60 (aether not required) "This is an attempt to capture with a simple model the behavior of C60 molecules in a double-slit experiment as reported in Nature Magazine (14 OCT 1999, pp 680-682). See Eur. J. Phys. 23, 615-621 (2002) for the origin of the model. "The C60 wave function at the slit screen is shown below. This coordinate-space wave function is Fourier transformed into momentum space to obtain the momentum distribution at the slit screen. This momentum distribution is ultimately projected onto the detection screen. In the work reported in Nature the slit width and the distance between slits was equal (50 nm). Arbitrary distance units are used here to illustrate the effect. See: http://www.users.csbsju.edu/~frioux/two-slit/c60-slit.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment
From: mpc755 on 29 Mar 2010 11:21 On Mar 29, 11:16 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 3/29/10 9:30 AM, mpc755 wrote: > > > On Mar 29, 9:49 am, Sam Wormley<sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > On 3/29/10 8:46 AM, NoEinstein wrote: > > >>> > > Aether is displaced matter.... > > >> > o has no measurable properties > >> > o is not detectable > >> > o doesn't exist > > You must have missed this post. > > > A C-60 molecule is in the slit(s). > > Double-Slit Experiment With C60 > (aether not required) > > "This is an attempt to capture with a simple model the behavior of C60 > molecules in a double-slit experiment as reported in Nature Magazine (14 > OCT 1999, pp 680-682). See Eur. J. Phys. 23, 615-621 (2002) for the > origin of the model. > > "The C60 wave function at the slit screen is shown below. This > coordinate-space wave function is Fourier transformed into momentum > space to obtain the momentum distribution at the slit screen. This > momentum distribution is ultimately projected onto the detection screen. > In the work reported in Nature the slit width and the distance between > slits was equal (50 nm). Arbitrary distance units are used here to > illustrate the effect. > > See:http://www.users.csbsju.edu/~frioux/two-slit/c60-slit.htm > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment You must not have understood the post. I am not asking you for an explanation of how a double slit with a C-60 molecule is able to execute. I am asking how the C-60 molecule is always detected exiting a single slit when detectors are placed at the exits while the C-60 molecule is in the slit(s) and the C-60 molecule is able to create an interference pattern if detectors are placed and removed from the exits to the slits while the C-60 molecule is in the slits. Nice try to cover your ignorance. A C-60 molecule is in the slit(s). While the C-60 molecule is in the slit(s) detectors are placed at the exits to the slits. When there are detectors at the exits to the slits the C-60 molecule is always detected exiting a single slit. If the detectors are placed and removed from the exits to the slits while the C-60 molecule is in the slit(s) the C-60 molecule creates an interference pattern. How is this possible with your 'understanding' of nature? Don't be shy. Go ahead and answer the question. I will take your next non-answer to be what it is. Admittance you can not answer the question without absurd nonsense such as the future determines the past. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_de_Broglie "This research culminated in the de Broglie hypothesis stating that any moving particle or object had an associated wave." 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory Louis de BROGLIE' http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf "I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case of an external field acting on the particle." "This result may be interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is defined as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at the point where the particle is located." de Broglie's definition of wave-particle duality is of a physical wave and a physical particle. The particle occupies a very small region of the wave. In AD, the external field is the aether. In a double slit experiment the particle occupies a very small region of the wave and enters and exits a single slit. The wave enters and exits the available slits. In AD, the C-60 molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. The C-60 molecule always enters and exits a single slit while the associated aether displacement wave enters and exits the available slits. The displacement wave creates interference upon exiting the slits which alters the direction the C-60 molecule travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the associated aether displacement wave (i.e. turns it into chop) and there is no interference. Your inability to physically explain the following is evidence you feign hypothesis: - The future determining the past - Virtual particles which exist out of nothing - Conservation of momentum does not apply to a downgraded photon pair - A C-60 molecule can enter, travel through, and exit multiple slits simultaneously without requiring energy, releasing energy, or having a change in momentum. - Matter causes physical space to be 'unflat' but not move The following are the most correct physical explanations to date: - A C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit while the associate aether displacement wave enters and exits available slits - The aether displaced by the matter which are the plates extends past the other plate. The pressure exerted by the aether displaced by the plates forces the plates together - Conservation of momentum does apply to a downgraded photon pair. When a photon is detected its wave collapses which determines its spin. In order for the original photons momentum to be conserved, the downgraded photon pair have opposite angular momentums. - A C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit while the associate aether displacement wave enters and exits available slits - Physical space is displaced by matter. Aether is displaced by matter.
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