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From: Top on 24 Dec 2009 15:24 In article <3640a521-855b-4aad-9e84-b6b59de9f1dc(a)p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, lgreenwood(a)srt.com says... > > On Dec 24, 10:15�am, Ben Myers <ben_my...(a)charter.net> wrote: > > Mike S. wrote: > > > Last night I turned on my infrequently-used Optiplex 755 with the > > > intention of burning another DVD of last year's Christmas party. A few > > > minutes later I cam back to see why it wans't at the Windows desktop. The > > > system had hung just after POST. Rebooting and watching things during > > > startup, I noticed huge pauses around the time of POST and then ... > > > nothing. I checked the BIOS settings - the hard drive was detected at the > > > expected size. It's a Seagate ST3250310AS - 250 GB. > > > > > Fearing the HDD or controller might be bad, I tried to boot a few live > > > WinPE-based CD's. All failed. Many just hung after loading files; one > > > XP-based live CD consistently delivers a BSOD with the dreaded STOP > > > 0x0000007B. Had a look inside - drive is powered, and all cables look OK. > > > The ability to at least partially boot a CD leads me to believe it's the > > > HDD and not the controller. > > > > > Googled around and found lots of problem reports with this drive (well, > > > actually, Seagate in general) including failures in as little as a few > > > days after installation. One guy on Newegg said it was nearly impossible > > > to get Seagate to RMA it, and takes forever to get action. > > > > > Based on that, I'm kinda leaning towards just cutting to the chase and > > > pourchasing a new drive. Have heard good things about some Samsung drives; > > > also WD if not the best, at least has good warranty support. > > > > I, too, have had Seagate ST3250310AS drives fail, and Seagate got itself > > off my preferred list for SATA drives as a result. �I have been sticking > > with WD lately with no problems to report. �Seagate is still at the top > > of my list for SCSI drives... Ben Myers > > I can remember the time when seagate ruled...It was a happy day for me > when I was able to upgrade my Kaypro 10 meg to a seagate 20 meg > harddrive for a mere $600. I remember some friends cautioning me > about storing so much data on a drive. Of course backup in the early > 80s was hardly on anyone's mind, except for businesses running > mainframes. Larry I worked next door to a military telephone switching center (autovon) and their backup included several large stacks of punch cards. They had some 8 inch floppy drives but they were too unreliable to trust for DCA. Ed -- For those who have trouble remembering the words for the song '99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall', somewhere on the Internet there's a page with the complete lyrics: all 100 verses!
From: lgreenwood on 24 Dec 2009 15:57 On Dec 24, 1:24 pm, Top <e...(a)neo.rr.invalid> wrote: > In article <3640a521-855b-4aad-9e84-b6b59de9f...(a)p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, > lgreenw...(a)srt.com says... > > > > > > > On Dec 24, 10:15 am, Ben Myers <ben_my...(a)charter.net> wrote: > > > Mike S. wrote: > > > > Last night I turned on my infrequently-used Optiplex 755 with the > > > > intention of burning another DVD of last year's Christmas party. A few > > > > minutes later I cam back to see why it wans't at the Windows desktop. The > > > > system had hung just after POST. Rebooting and watching things during > > > > startup, I noticed huge pauses around the time of POST and then ... > > > > nothing. I checked the BIOS settings - the hard drive was detected at the > > > > expected size. It's a Seagate ST3250310AS - 250 GB. > > > > > Fearing the HDD or controller might be bad, I tried to boot a few live > > > > WinPE-based CD's. All failed. Many just hung after loading files; one > > > > XP-based live CD consistently delivers a BSOD with the dreaded STOP > > > > 0x0000007B. Had a look inside - drive is powered, and all cables look OK. > > > > The ability to at least partially boot a CD leads me to believe it's the > > > > HDD and not the controller. > > > > > Googled around and found lots of problem reports with this drive (well, > > > > actually, Seagate in general) including failures in as little as a few > > > > days after installation. One guy on Newegg said it was nearly impossible > > > > to get Seagate to RMA it, and takes forever to get action. > > > > > Based on that, I'm kinda leaning towards just cutting to the chase and > > > > pourchasing a new drive. Have heard good things about some Samsung drives; > > > > also WD if not the best, at least has good warranty support. > > > > I, too, have had Seagate ST3250310AS drives fail, and Seagate got itself > > > off my preferred list for SATA drives as a result. I have been sticking > > > with WD lately with no problems to report. Seagate is still at the top > > > of my list for SCSI drives... Ben Myers > > > I can remember the time when seagate ruled...It was a happy day for me > > when I was able to upgrade my Kaypro 10 meg to a seagate 20 meg > > harddrive for a mere $600. I remember some friends cautioning me > > about storing so much data on a drive. Of course backup in the early > > 80s was hardly on anyone's mind, except for businesses running > > mainframes. Larry > > I worked next door to a military telephone switching center (autovon) and their backup > included several large stacks of punch cards. They had some 8 inch floppy drives but they > were too unreliable to trust for DCA. > > Ed > > -- > For those who have trouble remembering the words for the song '99 Bottles of > Beer on the Wall', somewhere on the Internet there's a page with the > complete lyrics: all 100 verses! And of course a common problem with the punch cards was that key punch operators sometimes left loose paper clips and rubber bands in a pack of cards. Upon processing a rubber band the card reader would go "kurchunk" and you sent the next half hour or so digging rubber band pieces out of the card reader. Larry
From: Star on 24 Dec 2009 16:42 On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:12:17 -0800 (PST), "lgreenwood(a)srt.com" <lgreenwood(a)srt.com> wrote: >On Dec 24, 10:15�am, Ben Myers <ben_my...(a)charter.net> wrote: >> Mike S. wrote: >> > Last night I turned on my infrequently-used Optiplex 755 with the >> > intention of burning another DVD of last year's Christmas party. A few >> > minutes later I cam back to see why it wans't at the Windows desktop. The >> > system had hung just after POST. Rebooting and watching things during >> > startup, I noticed huge pauses around the time of POST and then ... >> > nothing. I checked the BIOS settings - the hard drive was detected at the >> > expected size. It's a Seagate ST3250310AS - 250 GB. >> > >I can remember the time when seagate ruled...It was a happy day for me >when I was able to upgrade my Kaypro 10 meg to a seagate 20 meg >harddrive for a mere $600. I remember some friends cautioning me >about storing so much data on a drive. Of course backup in the early >80s was hardly on anyone's mind, except for businesses running >mainframes. Larry Back in those days of the Kaypro I think Seagate not only ruled it was about the only game in town. I had the Kaypro with the great Z80 Cpu and a home built system using the super powerful NEC cpu rather than the Intel 8080. I had 2-20Meg Seagates and updated to 2-30Meg as you say for a mere $600 each. Ah good RLL Hdds and setup with debug in the BIOS. Art
From: Michael Arm on 24 Dec 2009 17:52 On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 07:42:59 +1000, Star@*.* wrote: >On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:12:17 -0800 (PST), "lgreenwood(a)srt.com" ><lgreenwood(a)srt.com> wrote: > >>On Dec 24, 10:15�am, Ben Myers <ben_my...(a)charter.net> wrote: >>> Mike S. wrote: >>> > Last night I turned on my infrequently-used Optiplex 755 with the >>> > intention of burning another DVD of last year's Christmas party. A few >>> > minutes later I cam back to see why it wans't at the Windows desktop. The >>> > system had hung just after POST. Rebooting and watching things during >>> > startup, I noticed huge pauses around the time of POST and then ... >>> > nothing. I checked the BIOS settings - the hard drive was detected at the >>> > expected size. It's a Seagate ST3250310AS - 250 GB. >>> >> >>I can remember the time when seagate ruled...It was a happy day for me >>when I was able to upgrade my Kaypro 10 meg to a seagate 20 meg >>harddrive for a mere $600. I remember some friends cautioning me >>about storing so much data on a drive. Of course backup in the early >>80s was hardly on anyone's mind, except for businesses running >>mainframes. Larry > >Back in those days of the Kaypro I think Seagate not only ruled it was >about the only game in town. >I had the Kaypro with the great Z80 Cpu and a home built system using >the super powerful NEC cpu rather than the Intel 8080. >I had 2-20Meg Seagates and updated to 2-30Meg as you say for a mere >$600 each. Ah good RLL Hdds and setup with debug in the BIOS. > >Art I think mine was a miniscribe 10mb full height drive to go with my Kaypro PC. The amount of money that I spent in those days...... Mike
From: lgreenwood on 24 Dec 2009 18:17
On Dec 24, 3:52 pm, Michael Arm <m...(a)pobox.com> wrote: > On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 07:42:59 +1000, Star@*.* wrote: > >On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:12:17 -0800 (PST), "lgreenw...(a)srt.com" > ><lgreenw...(a)srt.com> wrote: > > >>On Dec 24, 10:15 am, Ben Myers <ben_my...(a)charter.net> wrote: > >>> Mike S. wrote: > >>> > Last night I turned on my infrequently-used Optiplex 755 with the > >>> > intention of burning another DVD of last year's Christmas party. A few > >>> > minutes later I cam back to see why it wans't at the Windows desktop. The > >>> > system had hung just after POST. Rebooting and watching things during > >>> > startup, I noticed huge pauses around the time of POST and then ... > >>> > nothing. I checked the BIOS settings - the hard drive was detected at the > >>> > expected size. It's a Seagate ST3250310AS - 250 GB. > > >>I can remember the time when seagate ruled...It was a happy day for me > >>when I was able to upgrade my Kaypro 10 meg to a seagate 20 meg > >>harddrive for a mere $600. I remember some friends cautioning me > >>about storing so much data on a drive. Of course backup in the early > >>80s was hardly on anyone's mind, except for businesses running > >>mainframes. Larry > > >Back in those days of the Kaypro I think Seagate not only ruled it was > >about the only game in town. > >I had the Kaypro with the great Z80 Cpu and a home built system using > >the super powerful NEC cpu rather than the Intel 8080. > >I had 2-20Meg Seagates and updated to 2-30Meg as you say for a mere > >$600 each. Ah good RLL Hdds and setup with debug in the BIOS. > > >Art > > I think mine was a miniscribe 10mb full height drive to go with my > Kaypro PC. > > The amount of money that I spent in those days...... > > Mike Yea, around $3000 for the Kaypro 10, and about $600 to buy a kit to speed it up from 4 megahertz to a whopping 6 megahertz with 64k memory, and that kit also made it possible to run a 20 meg harddrive. And other $600 for a harddrive upgrade. It got pricey....but the strange thing was is that I really felt like I got something for my money back in those days. But, alas, that feeling was only an illusion and really a result of great marketing efforts by the hardware companies. But the software bundled with the Kaypro was the best available at the time and really powerful. The limited 64k memory meant the software had to be coded well to fit into that small space. And I do not remember having to deal with any buggy software. Then the pc came along and the world changed. Oh well, this far off topic....Larry |