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From: Tony Harding on 28 Dec 2009 04:33 lgreenwood(a)srt.com wrote: > On Dec 24, 5:31 pm, Tony Harding <toh...(a)universalexports.bogus.net> > wrote: >> Top wrote: >>> In article <aede6746-e00b-4f0f-898f-f71d27039...(a)n38g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>, >>> lgreenw...(a)srt.com says... >>>> On Dec 24, 1:24 pm, Top <e...(a)neo.rr.invalid> wrote: >>>>> In article <3640a521-855b-4aad-9e84-b6b59de9f...(a)p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, >>>>> lgreenw...(a)srt.com says... >>>>>> On Dec 24, 10:15 am, Ben Myers <ben_my...(a)charter.net> wrote: >>>>>>> Mike S. wrote: >>>>>>>> Last night I turned on my infrequently-used Optiplex 755 with the >>>>>>>> intention of burning another DVD of last year's Christmas party. A few >>>>>>>> minutes later I cam back to see why it wans't at the Windows desktop. The >>>>>>>> system had hung just after POST. Rebooting and watching things during >>>>>>>> startup, I noticed huge pauses around the time of POST and then ... >>>>>>>> nothing. I checked the BIOS settings - the hard drive was detected at the >>>>>>>> expected size. It's a Seagate ST3250310AS - 250 GB. >>>>>>>> Fearing the HDD or controller might be bad, I tried to boot a few live >>>>>>>> WinPE-based CD's. All failed. Many just hung after loading files; one >>>>>>>> XP-based live CD consistently delivers a BSOD with the dreaded STOP >>>>>>>> 0x0000007B. Had a look inside - drive is powered, and all cables look OK. >>>>>>>> The ability to at least partially boot a CD leads me to believe it's the >>>>>>>> HDD and not the controller. >>>>>>>> Googled around and found lots of problem reports with this drive (well, >>>>>>>> actually, Seagate in general) including failures in as little as a few >>>>>>>> days after installation. One guy on Newegg said it was nearly impossible >>>>>>>> to get Seagate to RMA it, and takes forever to get action. >>>>>>>> Based on that, I'm kinda leaning towards just cutting to the chase and >>>>>>>> pourchasing a new drive. Have heard good things about some Samsung drives; >>>>>>>> also WD if not the best, at least has good warranty support. >>>>>>> I, too, have had Seagate ST3250310AS drives fail, and Seagate got itself >>>>>>> off my preferred list for SATA drives as a result. I have been sticking >>>>>>> with WD lately with no problems to report. Seagate is still at the top >>>>>>> of my list for SCSI drives... Ben Myers >>>>>> I can remember the time when seagate ruled...It was a happy day for me >>>>>> when I was able to upgrade my Kaypro 10 meg to a seagate 20 meg >>>>>> harddrive for a mere $600. I remember some friends cautioning me >>>>>> about storing so much data on a drive. Of course backup in the early >>>>>> 80s was hardly on anyone's mind, except for businesses running >>>>>> mainframes. Larry >>>>> I worked next door to a military telephone switching center (autovon) and their backup >>>>> included several large stacks of punch cards. They had some 8 inch floppy drives but they >>>>> were too unreliable to trust for DCA. >>>>> Ed >>>>> -- >>>>> For those who have trouble remembering the words for the song '99 Bottles of >>>>> Beer on the Wall', somewhere on the Internet there's a page with the >>>>> complete lyrics: all 100 verses! >>>> And of course a common problem with the punch cards was that key punch >>>> operators sometimes left loose paper clips and rubber bands in a pack >>>> of cards. Upon processing a rubber band the card reader would go >>>> "kurchunk" and you sent the next half hour or so digging rubber band >>>> pieces out of the card reader. Larry >>> We had that problem with some other systems of the times as we were changing cards and >>> ordering new decks once a month. For the autovon switch though they used the same deck all >>> the time with rare insertions made. Almost the only time they needed to reload was when >>> there had been a system outage or some interruption. I was talking to a friend recently that >>> was one of the managers in the switching system and after asking a couple of questions I >>> found I have more memory in my cell phone than there was in autovon switch. That switch >>> served all the military autovon users on Okinawa as well as all the trunk lines that went to >>> mainland Japan, Korea, The Philippines and to Hawaii. My how times have changed. >> Funny how things evolve - I had a realization about 20 years ago that >> between the PC on my desk with 1.5 MB of memory (remember the expanded >> memory boards?) and my HP Laserjet II with 2.5 MB of memory that I had >> more memory on my desk than all the mainframes together that I'd worked >> on to date (went to work for IBM in 1965). Just ordered a new Dell >> XPS9000 with 12 GB of memory. >> >> Regarding, Seagate vs WD, I recently bought 3 1TB drives, one is WD but >> the performance stinks according to HD Tune. The other 2 are Seagates >> (ST31000528AS), which scream according to HD Tune. With any luck the >> Seagate problem is restricted to the 259 GB model. :) Very happy with >> the Seagates to date. > > Yes, odd how things change...a bad batch of seagate drives doesnt mean > that all seagate drives are bad. I imagine that is the case with all > drives even WD. Have to keep an open mind and monitor the groups like > this one to keep up to date. Generally if you get a bad batch of > drives you will find out here and you can stay away from them, but it > does not mean the entire product line is bad. Right now, for me, it > is the nVidia graphics card that runs way too hot in my laptop, in a > few months it will be something else. It is important that you keep > informed and up to date. The product that is great today will be a > bummer tomorrow. Larry Yup, and may be next year's hot model.
From: Tony Harding on 28 Dec 2009 04:36 RnR wrote: > On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:15:36 -0500, Ben Myers <ben_myers(a)charter.net> > wrote: > >> Mike S. wrote: >>> Last night I turned on my infrequently-used Optiplex 755 with the >>> intention of burning another DVD of last year's Christmas party. A few >>> minutes later I cam back to see why it wans't at the Windows desktop. The >>> system had hung just after POST. Rebooting and watching things during >>> startup, I noticed huge pauses around the time of POST and then ... >>> nothing. I checked the BIOS settings - the hard drive was detected at the >>> expected size. It's a Seagate ST3250310AS - 250 GB. >>> >>> Fearing the HDD or controller might be bad, I tried to boot a few live >>> WinPE-based CD's. All failed. Many just hung after loading files; one >>> XP-based live CD consistently delivers a BSOD with the dreaded STOP >>> 0x0000007B. Had a look inside - drive is powered, and all cables look OK. >>> The ability to at least partially boot a CD leads me to believe it's the >>> HDD and not the controller. >>> >>> Googled around and found lots of problem reports with this drive (well, >>> actually, Seagate in general) including failures in as little as a few >>> days after installation. One guy on Newegg said it was nearly impossible >>> to get Seagate to RMA it, and takes forever to get action. >>> >>> Based on that, I'm kinda leaning towards just cutting to the chase and >>> pourchasing a new drive. Have heard good things about some Samsung drives; >>> also WD if not the best, at least has good warranty support. >>> >> I, too, have had Seagate ST3250310AS drives fail, and Seagate got itself >> off my preferred list for SATA drives as a result. I have been sticking >> with WD lately with no problems to report. Seagate is still at the top >> of my list for SCSI drives... Ben Myers > > I had one of two Seagate 5 year warrantee drives fail on me. I didn't > even bother to ship it back (still under the warrantee) but rather > just go buy a WD larger drive instead. I was disappointed in Seagate > because I hadn't used it that much <snip> A reminder that internal HDDs all spin so long as the power in ON, so the clock is ticking.
From: RnR on 28 Dec 2009 22:28
On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:36:38 -0500, Tony Harding <tohard(a)universalexports.bogus.net> wrote: >RnR wrote: >> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:15:36 -0500, Ben Myers <ben_myers(a)charter.net> >> wrote: >> >>> Mike S. wrote: >>>> Last night I turned on my infrequently-used Optiplex 755 with the >>>> intention of burning another DVD of last year's Christmas party. A few >>>> minutes later I cam back to see why it wans't at the Windows desktop. The >>>> system had hung just after POST. Rebooting and watching things during >>>> startup, I noticed huge pauses around the time of POST and then ... >>>> nothing. I checked the BIOS settings - the hard drive was detected at the >>>> expected size. It's a Seagate ST3250310AS - 250 GB. >>>> >>>> Fearing the HDD or controller might be bad, I tried to boot a few live >>>> WinPE-based CD's. All failed. Many just hung after loading files; one >>>> XP-based live CD consistently delivers a BSOD with the dreaded STOP >>>> 0x0000007B. Had a look inside - drive is powered, and all cables look OK. >>>> The ability to at least partially boot a CD leads me to believe it's the >>>> HDD and not the controller. >>>> >>>> Googled around and found lots of problem reports with this drive (well, >>>> actually, Seagate in general) including failures in as little as a few >>>> days after installation. One guy on Newegg said it was nearly impossible >>>> to get Seagate to RMA it, and takes forever to get action. >>>> >>>> Based on that, I'm kinda leaning towards just cutting to the chase and >>>> pourchasing a new drive. Have heard good things about some Samsung drives; >>>> also WD if not the best, at least has good warranty support. >>>> >>> I, too, have had Seagate ST3250310AS drives fail, and Seagate got itself >>> off my preferred list for SATA drives as a result. I have been sticking >>> with WD lately with no problems to report. Seagate is still at the top >>> of my list for SCSI drives... Ben Myers >> >> I had one of two Seagate 5 year warrantee drives fail on me. I didn't >> even bother to ship it back (still under the warrantee) but rather >> just go buy a WD larger drive instead. I was disappointed in Seagate >> because I hadn't used it that much <snip> > >A reminder that internal HDDs all spin so long as the power in ON, so >the clock is ticking. Mine was used as an external drive tho and not on that much. |