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From: nospam on 6 Jan 2010 14:26 In article <0001HW.C76A1D7A001A99CFB04179BF(a)news.giganews.com>, Verne Arase <VerneA(a)pobox.com> wrote: > The latest Airport Extreme (or the one I got at any rate) has the ability to > produce networks on the 2.4 and 5 ghz bands, and can produce three networks: > a primary network on the 2.4 and 5 ghz band and a guest network. > > Unfortunately, Apple seems to have dropped the ability to generate a WEP > protected network. it supports wep, it's just not easily configured to do so.
From: John Varela on 6 Jan 2010 16:50 On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:44:04 UTC, Tom Stiller <tom_stiller(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > In article <dxizd0mOwXzR-pn2-EzpIoRFNiIbd(a)localhost>, > "John Varela" <OLDlamps(a)verizon.net> wrote: > > > On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:42:29 UTC, Tom Stiller <tom_stiller(a)yahoo.com> > > wrote: > > > > > In article <dxizd0mOwXzR-pn2-pFjKX97LP1OB(a)localhost>, > > > "John Varela" <OLDlamps(a)verizon.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 03:00:37 UTC, Bob Harris > > > > <nospam.News.Bob(a)remove.Smith-Harris.us> wrote: > > > > > > > Unless you know that channels 1 or 11 are in use, it would be > > > > > better to pick 1 or 11, as channel 6 is frequently the default for > > > > > WiFi base stations where the owners do the minimum setup. > > > > > > > > I'm using 8 because there are neighbors on 1, 6, and 11. Or at least > > > > there were, before I upgraded to Snow Leopard and iStumbler stopped > > > > working. > > > > > > > > It's annoyong that there's nothing on the iStumbler site indicating > > > > whether it will be updated, but there is an appeal for donations. > > > > > > If channels 6 and 11 are busy, using channel 8 may be worse than either > > > one of them. See <http://www.moonblinkwifi.com/2point4freq.cfm> > > > > From the chart on that page it looks to me like all channels have > > overlaps, so I don't understand the assertion that 1, 6, and 11 > > don't have overlaps. > > > > Can you explain? > > One can only assign three non-overlapping channels. If 1, 6, and 11 > (non-overlapping) are in use by neighbors, any other channel assignment > will overlap with (at least) one of them. Gotcha. Thanks. So how is sharing 1, 6, or 11 with a neighbor better than overlapping with them? -- John Varela Trade NEWlamps for OLDlamps for email
From: Tom Stiller on 6 Jan 2010 17:33 In article <dxizd0mOwXR-pn2-QHopd6FEOrlg(a)localhost>, "John Varela" <OLDlamps(a)verizon.net> wrote: > On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:44:04 UTC, Tom Stiller <tom_stiller(a)yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > In article <dxizd0mOwXzR-pn2-EzpIoRFNiIbd(a)localhost>, > > "John Varela" <OLDlamps(a)verizon.net> wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:42:29 UTC, Tom Stiller <tom_stiller(a)yahoo.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > In article <dxizd0mOwXzR-pn2-pFjKX97LP1OB(a)localhost>, > > > > "John Varela" <OLDlamps(a)verizon.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 03:00:37 UTC, Bob Harris > > > > > <nospam.News.Bob(a)remove.Smith-Harris.us> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Unless you know that channels 1 or 11 are in use, it would be > > > > > > better to pick 1 or 11, as channel 6 is frequently the default for > > > > > > WiFi base stations where the owners do the minimum setup. > > > > > > > > > > I'm using 8 because there are neighbors on 1, 6, and 11. Or at least > > > > > there were, before I upgraded to Snow Leopard and iStumbler stopped > > > > > working. > > > > > > > > > > It's annoyong that there's nothing on the iStumbler site indicating > > > > > whether it will be updated, but there is an appeal for donations. > > > > > > > > If channels 6 and 11 are busy, using channel 8 may be worse than either > > > > one of them. See <http://www.moonblinkwifi.com/2point4freq.cfm> > > > > > > From the chart on that page it looks to me like all channels have > > > overlaps, so I don't understand the assertion that 1, 6, and 11 > > > don't have overlaps. > > > > > > Can you explain? > > > > One can only assign three non-overlapping channels. If 1, 6, and 11 > > (non-overlapping) are in use by neighbors, any other channel assignment > > will overlap with (at least) one of them. > > Gotcha. Thanks. > > So how is sharing 1, 6, or 11 with a neighbor better than > overlapping with them? When channels overlap, transmitting on either of them steps on the other. Sharing is accommodated by the protocol so it's an orderly give and take. -- Tom Stiller PGP fingerprint = 5108 DDB2 9761 EDE5 E7E3 7BDA 71ED 6496 99C0 C7CF
From: John McWilliams on 6 Jan 2010 17:55 Tom Stiller wrote: > In article <dxizd0mOwXR-pn2-QHopd6FEOrlg(a)localhost>, > "John Varela" <OLDlamps(a)verizon.net> wrote: > >> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:44:04 UTC, Tom Stiller <tom_stiller(a)yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >>> In article <dxizd0mOwXzR-pn2-EzpIoRFNiIbd(a)localhost>, >>> "John Varela" <OLDlamps(a)verizon.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:42:29 UTC, Tom Stiller <tom_stiller(a)yahoo.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In article <dxizd0mOwXzR-pn2-pFjKX97LP1OB(a)localhost>, >>>>> "John Varela" <OLDlamps(a)verizon.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 03:00:37 UTC, Bob Harris >>>>>> <nospam.News.Bob(a)remove.Smith-Harris.us> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> Unless you know that channels 1 or 11 are in use, it would be >>>>>>> better to pick 1 or 11, as channel 6 is frequently the default for >>>>>>> WiFi base stations where the owners do the minimum setup. >>>>>> I'm using 8 because there are neighbors on 1, 6, and 11. Or at least >>>>>> there were, before I upgraded to Snow Leopard and iStumbler stopped >>>>>> working. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's annoyong that there's nothing on the iStumbler site indicating >>>>>> whether it will be updated, but there is an appeal for donations. >>>>> If channels 6 and 11 are busy, using channel 8 may be worse than either >>>>> one of them. See <http://www.moonblinkwifi.com/2point4freq.cfm> >>>> From the chart on that page it looks to me like all channels have >>>> overlaps, so I don't understand the assertion that 1, 6, and 11 >>>> don't have overlaps. >>>> >>>> Can you explain? >>> One can only assign three non-overlapping channels. If 1, 6, and 11 >>> (non-overlapping) are in use by neighbors, any other channel assignment >>> will overlap with (at least) one of them. >> >> Gotcha. Thanks. >> >> So how is sharing 1, 6, or 11 with a neighbor better than >> overlapping with them? > > When channels overlap, transmitting on either of them steps on the > other. Sharing is accommodated by the protocol so it's an orderly give > and take. Is there software that'll tell you what channel your neighbors are using? Would have iStumbler? (hoping it'll be made SL compatible.) -- john mcwilliams
From: nospam on 6 Jan 2010 18:11
In article <hi34cd$4ms$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, John McWilliams <jpmcw(a)comcast.net> wrote: > Is there software that'll tell you what channel your neighbors are using? yes, and some wifi routers can do it too. > Would have iStumbler? (hoping it'll be made SL compatible.) yes there are even a few apps for the iphone/ipod touch that will do it, which makes it easy to go outside and figure out who actually owns a particular network. |