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From: Rowland McDonnell on 10 Jul 2010 06:55
So I showed you the actual facts, the actual facts about how come
deuterium and lithium are the practical Earthly fusion fuels according
to the actual science.

That's what the nuclear physicists say - I gave you the quotes from a
publication from the Institute of Physics, being the professional body
for UK physicists (I'm a member, you see).

I gave you the details of fusion involving helium-3, including the
information that it takes millions of years for that sort of fusion to
occur /in a star/ - it'd go even slower in an Earthly fusion reactor.

And still you can't admit that your blather about helium-3 is purest
fantasy.

Rowland.

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From: Mark Conrad on 11 Jul 2010 00:59
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<1jlfxgx.rv25n61edcd6hN%real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid>,
Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:

> The big question I'm interested in is: `Are you able to accept the fact
> that deuterium-lithium fusion is already proven to be a practical fusion
> fuel

Bullshit, this is ancient history that only a Brit Buffoon like you
would fall for.

The lithium in the neutron absorption blanket is an unnecessary
intermediate step, as the only purpose of the lithium is to be
transformed into the tritium fuel needed to fuel the reactor.

Modern approach is to make tritium directly, thereby reducing
the size, cost, complexity, weight, and opportunity for something
to go wrong with the convoluted lithium way of generating tritium.



> that according to the science, helium-3 cannot be so used?'

More bullshit from a Brit Buffoon.

Don't argue with me about it, argue with the Indians, Chinese,
Japanese, and Russians who _do_ believe that He3 can indeed
be used for fusion fuel, which is why they all are considering
strip-mining the moon, thanks to the NASA morons who blabbed
about the abundance of He3 on the moon.

And the Russians ought to know, since they were the ones who
invented the tokamak fusion reactor back in the 1950s.

Mark-
From: Rowland McDonnell on 12 Jul 2010 00:09
Mark Conrad <aeiou(a)mostly.invalid> wrote:

> Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
>
> > The big question I'm interested in is: `Are you able to accept the fact
> > that deuterium-lithium fusion is already proven to be a practical fusion
> > fuel
>
> Bullshit, this is ancient history that only a Brit Buffoon like you
> would fall for.

That's the kind of personal abuse that's conventional from a US
conservative (neo-Nazi bigot in European terms) any time he's up against
the truth.

It's what you all do, isn't it?

- any time your sort is found out, you ignore all the facts, all the
points of argument, and switch to mindless personal abuse.

It's quite a sickness that your culture suffers from in that line, isn't
it? It's caused your nation immeasureable harm over the years, this
bigotted abusiveness that stands in for rational debate in the USA.

From Physics World, March 2006: "Fusion: the way ahead"

<http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/24295>

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"Of all the possible combinations of light elements that could be used
for terrestrial fusion, the deuterium-tritium reaction proceeds at the
highest rate for the lowest temperature and is therefore the best
candidate for a fusion power plant. "

<shrug> So you see, I'm up with the current thinking and you're living
in la-la land.

The tritium is going to be made in the reactor vessel from the
deuterium-lithium fuel input, as you must be aware.

Since you're a US conservative (neo-Nazi bigot in European terms) we
know that your attacks on the truth are all lies meant to increase the
profitability of big business - /of course/ you will carry on abusing me
and claiming that you're right and I'm wrong.

But I'm wondering who exactly is profiting due to these particular
propaganda lies that you're obediently flinging around the place?

We all know that mindless racist bigots of your type have no interest in
the truth - all you care about is humiliating your enemies, and making
money for your masters (the rich US-conservatives (neo-Nazi bigots in
European terms) who exploit you to keep their families rich)

What I cannot fathom here is where you get the idea that there is any
possible *POINT* in you coming out with these lies and insults here -
why are you doing it? Are you really just another troll - but a racist
bigot to boot?

> The lithium in the neutron absorption blanket is an unnecessary
> intermediate step, as the only purpose of the lithium is to be
> transformed into the tritium fuel needed to fuel the reactor.

<greatly puzzled> That's bomb technology you're talking about.

Curious - I wonder what information source was used by your
propaganda-feed to put that crazy sentence in your head?

> Modern approach is to make tritium directly, thereby reducing
> the size, cost, complexity, weight, and opportunity for something
> to go wrong with the convoluted lithium way of generating tritium.

Yes, dearie, tell me, what do you think they're going to make the
tritium out of if not the deuterium-lithium fuel input into the reactor
vessel?

'cos I've always thought that they were going to use the D-L fuel input
to make the tritium to do the power generation.

> > that according to the science, helium-3 cannot be so used?'
>
> More bullshit from a Brit Buffoon.

Yes of course I'm a buffoon for looking up the facts in a reliable
publication and presenting them to you - buffoonery no end, that kind of
behaviour.

And of course it's very well mannered and intelligent of you to snip the
details from the reliable factual articles I showed you about nuclear
fusion, ignoring all the facts, and hurling ill-bred personal abuse at
me.

Pfft - you're just another normal American conservative (neo-Nazi bigot
in European terms) - no brains, no culture, no learning, no ability to
get anything right at all, ever.

Well, I'll try again.

<http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/24295>

"In the Sun, for example, energy is released through a chain of
reactions that begins with the fusion of two protons into a deuteron - a
deuterium nucleus containing one proton and one neutron. The deuteron
then combines with another proton to produce a nucleus of helium-3,
which, in turn, fuses with another helium-3 nucleus to form a nucleus of
helium-4 (an alpha particle). This process takes hundreds of millions of
years, which is rather fortuitous since if it occurred too rapidly, the
solar furnace would have burned out long before life on Earth had a
chance to evolve! The downside, of course, is that protonic fusion
cannot be used as a viable source of terrestrial fusion energy."

> Don't argue with me about it, argue with the Indians, Chinese,
> Japanese, and Russians who _do_ believe that He3 can indeed
> be used for fusion fuel,

You can huff and puff and bluster all you like - but you see, there is
no reaction that will let them do that. You're

You're suffering from the usual compulsions that afflict US conservative
racist bigots any time they find that their pet ideas being exposed for
the bullshit that they always are.

Or if you think there is some way that helium-3 can be used as a
practical Earthly fusion fuel - well, dearie, perhaps you could inform
the world of your magnifcent discovery? A new way of doing nuclear
fusion with helium-3 that the rest of the world has somehow missed.

Because as it stands, we all think that it's not practical.

<http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/24295>

"In the Sun, for example, energy is released through a chain of
reactions that begins with the fusion of two protons into a deuteron - a
deuterium nucleus containing one proton and one neutron. The deuteron
then combines with another proton to produce a nucleus of helium-3,
which, in turn, fuses with another helium-3 nucleus to form a nucleus of
helium-4 (an alpha particle). This process takes hundreds of millions of
years, which is rather fortuitous since if it occurred too rapidly, the
solar furnace would have burned out long before life on Earth had a
chance to evolve! The downside, of course, is that protonic fusion
cannot be used as a viable source of terrestrial fusion energy."

<shrug> But of course I'm a buffoon for having bothered to find out the
facts, aren't I?

> which is why they all are considering
> strip-mining the moon,

I know that none of those nations are wasting any effort trying to work
out how to get helium-3 back from the moon to use as a power source.

What I cannot fathom is why you're claiming that they are doing so -
quite bizarre.

Obviously, you're repeating the propaganda line that you've been taught
is the current truth.

Like the rest of your bigotted racist ignorant fellows, you always
believe whatever bullshit you're fed by your `handlers' in the party.

I wish I understood quite who's going to gain from this nonsense being
widely accepted? I can't figure it out myself.

Of course, you'll deny it all - the shills of propagandists always deny
that they've been conned.

>thanks to the NASA morons who blabbed
> about the abundance of He3 on the moon.

<chuckle>

Yes, yes, of course, dearie, I know you've got to vent your anger
against that federally funded organization. It's a compulsion you US
conservatives (neo-Nazi bigots in European terms) suffer from, that kind
of pathology. `Federally funded = unAmerican treachery' - that's how
you're brought up to view the world, isn't it?

Since you know as well as I do that there is no reaction that'll get
useful power out of helium-3 fused on Earth, you know that you're just
being silly and none of what you're claiming is anything other than lies
you're spouting to benefit unfairly *someone* in the USA at the expense
of others.

I'm coming round to the idea that you're just another troll instead of
merely another vile racist bigot - a vile racist bigot and a troll is
what I'm thinking is the best set to fit you into.

> And the Russians ought to know, since they were the ones who
> invented the tokamak fusion reactor back in the 1950s.

The Russians do know about the facts, yes - which is why they're totally
ignoring the ravings of you US-conservatives and following the science.
While `US conservative' means neo-Nazi bigot in European terms, being a
neo-Nazi bigot's okay in Russia: they're rather like you except Russians
have more freedom.

What they don't know any more than I do is what reaction might be used
to get energy out of helium-3.

It seems that you don't know either - but never mind that, you say that
helium-3 is a practical fuel so it must be, of course it must.

Have you managed to find a reaction that'll get power out of fusing
helium-3 on Earth?

Yes yes I know you can shout loudly that I'm an idiot and that everyone
knows it - but do you actually have an idea what reaction could be used?
No?

I thought not - it's all just the usual, innit? You're just pushing the
propaganda lies you've been told to push, and you're using the standard
neo-Nazi bigot (conservative, in US terms) method of abusing and
attacking anyone who opposes you.

Rowland.

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From: Rowland McDonnell on 12 Jul 2010 00:53
Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:

> Mark Conrad <aeiou(a)mostly.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > The big question I'm interested in is: `Are you able to accept the fact
> > > that deuterium-lithium fusion is already proven to be a practical fusion
> > > fuel
> >
> > Bullshit, this is ancient history that only a Brit Buffoon like you
> > would fall for.
>
[snip]
> > The lithium in the neutron absorption blanket is an unnecessary
> > intermediate step, as the only purpose of the lithium is to be
> > transformed into the tritium fuel needed to fuel the reactor.
>
> <greatly puzzled> That's bomb technology you're talking about.

[snip]

Ah, no, I've worked out what aspect of reality you're denying this time,
it's okay.

Crazy man, quite crazy - you see, I've not mentioned which approach will
be used to create the tritium for fusion because I know that's still up
for grabs.

I also know that due to the lack of tritium around the place (short half
life, donchaknow), they're going to have to make it.

And what did you do, you crazy creature? You made two cognitive errors:

1) You assumed that I'd made an assumption I hadn't made.

2) You assumed that the assumption you assumed that I'd made (but
hadn't) was a false assumption (which isn't a safe assumption).

All your assumptions in this case - as is usual for you - are the
fantasies we've come to expect from you. Utterly baseless ravings of an
ignorant bigot - raving, raving mad.

You see, only a US conservative such as yourself would be interested in
repeating the propaganda lies you're coming out with here - and only a
US conservative such as yourself would deal with objections to points of
fact by ignoring all the points of rational debate and fire off quite so
much personal abuse.

But we've got used to the evils of you neo-Nazi racist bigots who try to
project the wickedness of US conservatism to the lands where good still
holds sway.

We're even learning what to do with your sort - the option of just
bombing, machine-gunning, and then hanging the survivors as we did with
the original Nazis isn't much of an option these days... Which is a
problem, because my natural reaction when faced with anyone as odius as
the neo-Nazi racist bigot who is you is to arrange for your sudden
death. After all, the fewer neo-Nazi racist bigots like you in the
world, the better the world becomes.

Hurry up!

Rowland.

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From: Whorren Goates on 12 Jul 2010 01:35
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 05:53:07 +0100, Rowland McDonnell wrote:

> We're even learning what to do with your sort - the option of just
> bombing, machine-gunning, and then hanging the survivors as we did with
> the original Nazis isn't much of an option these days... Which is a
> problem, because my natural reaction when faced with anyone as odius as
> the neo-Nazi racist bigot who is you is to arrange for your sudden
> death. After all, the fewer neo-Nazi racist bigots like you in the
> world, the better the world becomes.
>
> Hurry up!

Rowland, you are peaking too early. You should hold back with the death
threats and the racial slurs until the end of the thread. What will all the
young eager Apple fanboys think when they visit this forum? Please confine
your comments to technical matters.

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